Darriel 0 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 In February this year I decided to look for an air rifle and stumbled across an auction site called catawiki I signed up and bid for an air rifle a hatsan att 44 -10 its discription said Dutch version and English version 970 fps it didn't state what grain pellet but I at the time I didn't know. What difference that could make anyway I won the bid at £400 plus delivery from Belgium £35 it arrived some time later by regular courier I took it to local gunsmith who filled it I took it home and fired a few pellets put it away in a cupboard 4 days later I was involved in an altercation with my partners son they called the police and I handed my self in whilst in custody they said they had been informed I had a gun ( ex partner ) I told the police were the air gun was and they went to my house and removed it for testing in that time I contacted catawiki and asked if they had possibly sold me a gun that required a licence there reply was that in error they had not put in description about laws in my country and it was my duty to do this and they took no responsibility subsequently I have attended crown court today 20/12 2018 and with a shit barrister received a 10 month sentence suspended for 2 yrs 140 hrs community service 50 rar meetings ? And a fine of £320 pound to destroy gun I had no chance to tell my mitigation my life has been turned upside down why is it so easy to buy a gun from this site CATAWIKI with no questions how do I get my point across this is not right surely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ted Newgent 4,896 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) you could of bought an FAC air rifle by mistake Quote n the Netherlands, air guns can be owned by persons from the age of 18 years and can freely be acquired. Until 1997 there were limitations on muzzle velocity and kinetic energy, similar to the German law, but these restrictions were lifted for practical reasons. but in court the judge would of read the charges out stating you were in fact in possession of a firearm without a license. were you asleep in court??? surely to fck you spoke with your solicitor of what charges you were up for why would you log onto the internet asking for legal advice?? Edited December 20, 2018 by Ted Newgent 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,258 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) Police would only take and test the gun if it had been used in a crime or you had threatened to shoot somebody as it has no bearings on your domestic situation otherwise, I suspect we may be missing some of the story or being fed here, I have known people get caught with overpowered air guns before and only had to sign a destruction permission form instead of being prosecuted ??? P.s if you feel you were given the shitty end of the stick you still have the right to appeal, but if you did have an illegal firearm you should consider yourself lucky your not having turkey in the big house as it carries 5 just for owning it Edited December 20, 2018 by Greyman 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darriel 0 Posted December 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Yes the gun was overpowered 24 lb according to police they said they used 3 types of pellet they didn't state what grain they were Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 If it was 24ft/lb, it would have been over the limit with any pellet they tried in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 42,876 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 using certain pellets in sub 12 l/b per ft air rifles can give you readings on the chrono over the legal limit ......your lucky your not over the wall for the next 5 crimbos.....would of thought the company that shipped it to you and UK customs and exercise would have something to answer too???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stumfelter 3,032 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 If you've paid £435 for a sh*tty hatsan air rifle my advice to you would be to have your head examined.... 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Astanley 11,465 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 I don't know anything about the legalities of air rifles ,so my advice would be stop making yourself look a dick with half truths and lies ,if you insist on posting bollox ,then the air gun section is your best bet ,p.s use the word "velocity " a lot and you won't go far wrong on there .atb 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,837 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Darriel said: In February this year I decided to look for an air rifle and stumbled across an auction site called catawiki I signed up and bid for an air rifle a hatsan att 44 -10 its discription said Dutch version and English version 970 fps it didn't state what grain pellet but I at the time I didn't know. What difference that could make anyway I won the bid at £400 plus delivery from Belgium £35 it arrived some time later by regular courier I took it to local gunsmith who filled it I took it home and fired a few pellets put it away in a cupboard 4 days later I was involved in an altercation with my partners son they called the police and I handed my self in whilst in custody they said they had been informed I had a gun ( ex partner ) I told the police were the air gun was and they went to my house and removed it for testing in that time I contacted catawiki and asked if they had possibly sold me a gun that required a licence there reply was that in error they had not put in description about laws in my country and it was my duty to do this and they took no responsibility subsequently I have attended crown court today 20/12 2018 and with a shit barrister received a 10 month sentence suspended for 2 yrs 140 hrs community service 50 rar meetings ? And a fine of £320 pound to destroy gun I had no chance to tell my mitigation my life has been turned upside down why is it so easy to buy a gun from this site CATAWIKI with no questions how do I get my point across this is not right surely Don't all add up imo, surely you could have proved you'd only owned it 4 days? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ted Newgent 4,896 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, South hams hunter said: Don't all add up imo, surely you could have proved you'd only owned it 4 days? Dont matter if he had it 4 minutes or 4 days still was in possession of a firearm he shouldn’t of. why didnt the gunsmith pick up on this as he fired it a few times according to the OP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 20,864 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) You might as well get hung for a sheep. If she's ruined your life I reckon you should have it out with her. Have a few Stella's to focus the mind and get round there Edited December 21, 2018 by DIDO.1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,837 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Ted Newgent said: Dont matter if he had it 4 minutes or 4 days still was in possession of a firearm he shouldn’t of. why didnt the gunsmith pick up on this as he fired it a few times according to the OP If he bought it like that, hadn't tampered and believed it to be within limits I'd have thought hed be ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qbgrey 3,983 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 The answers in the post.why buy a 425 hatsan from abroad,when you can buy one here for half the money,and less agro with shipping etc.?.......cause its tuned to the bollox.24llbs out of a supposedly called airgun.? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,837 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Pretty much any pellet at 970 is over the limit, if you used something like a 13 grain it'd be 27/28 ft/lbs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonjon79 13,340 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: If he bought it like that, hadn't tampered and believed it to be within limits I'd have thought hed be ok No mate - I believe the law sees it as an absolute offence - he owned it and it was over the limit, they don't give you any room for mitigation. ........ People in this country get very twitchy about anything that has a barrel and a trigger. Depending on your local force, you might get off more lightly if you're only 1 or 2 ftlb over and there are no other offences. But, getting nicked for scrapping and having an airgun that far over, they could have had his pants down worse to be honest. Darriel - you can try an appeal, it might lessen the penalty for the altercation but, it won't for the air rifle. ........ You made a mistake/error and got caught out - you're just going to have to take it on the chin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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