Jonjon79 13,358 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Fk me that was gruesome. Aye, that's the first time I've ever seen that - I don't know what I was expecting but, I wasn't expecting that.To be fair I gave warning lol No issues mate I'm just not used to seeing someones head do that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,649 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Fk me that was gruesome. Aye, that's the first time I've ever seen that - I don't know what I was expecting but, I wasn't expecting that.To be fair I gave warning lolNo issues mate I'm just not used to seeing someones head do that I was the same...I wasn't so much supprised at the damage just I've only ever seen the edited clips on documentaries to see the full thing was like... jeez Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonjon79 13,358 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Fk me that was gruesome. Aye, that's the first time I've ever seen that - I don't know what I was expecting but, I wasn't expecting that.To be fair I gave warning lolNo issues mate I'm just not used to seeing someones head do that I was the same...I wasn't so much supprised at the damage just I've only ever seen the edited clips on documentaries to see the full thing was like... jeezIt's strange but, I had to watch it a couple of times ..... I think it's a bit like 'Feck me, did that really happen'. I can see why it was such a huge event when it happened. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,969 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Your main argument bh was that why didn't he take that perfect shot? That to me makes it all so simple, it was human error, No grand designed conspiracy would have allowed such a perfect opportune to pass Only readjusting could have allowed the second opportunity to happen It's a perfectly human error, cone on born, you have to better than that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,909 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Your main argument bh was that why didn't he take that perfect shot? That to me makes it all so simple, it was human error, No grand designed conspiracy would have allowed such a perfect opportune to pass Only readjusting could have allowed the second opportunity to happen It's a perfectly human error, cone on born, you have to better than that! I'm not suggesting any conspiracy, lol. I hate them! I'm just asking questions I'm happy to have answered. There are plausible explanations like what you have put forward... Also, I'd have to say we can't determine that no other explanation would have allowed that better shot to pass because we don't know whether in that circumstance it was indeed the better shot. It was only the better shot for where Oswald is alleged to have been firing from. Edited October 16, 2017 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,839 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Forgive me if I am wrong but is it true that what you see in that footage isn't necessarily a head shot, with a high power round that could have hit him in the back and simply exited out of his head? Anyway, that's what someone shot in the head looks like......not pretty is it chaps. What you don't see is what a f***ing mess would have been in that car........that wouldn't have been pretty either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,803 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Why does every one think the head shot was intended ? . I fancy the back was the target , his first shot had already hit him high back and exited his throat So then under huge pressure he has to rechamber and get back on target using a 4 power scope with a $12 rifle , I think the head shot was just a lucky strike ( depending where your sitting) ..As said if your head shooting why not take the closer 50 yd shot ..? The front body shot with driver and security obscuring the target is not on but the rear body shot is clear as the first shot shows ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 5,002 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Few questions for those who know about this In the video before he's shot it looks like he's grimacing or something. Was he hit before the head shot ? Was it to retrieve the skull the reason his wife climbed over the car or trying to escape in panic ? Was any motive thought of for Oswald shooting him . ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) From what I remember. He was shot twice before the head shot, his wife seen the skull pop off and grabbed it in shock, like people who chop their fingers off( apparently the first thing they do is pick them up, some sort of shock mechanism). And the shooter was shot dead himself outside the court room so his silence will remain. Edited October 17, 2017 by Rabbit Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,839 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I'd say she was just trying to get out, it's a natural human reaction. No grabbing bits of head, when you see someone's head come apart you dont have to be a Doctor to know they are dead......logic kicks in and you move away from the area. No great mystery there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,803 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Few questions for those who know about this In the video before he's shot it looks like he's grimacing or something. Was he hit before the head shot ? Was it to retrieve the skull the reason his wife climbed over the car or trying to escape in panic ? Was any motive thought of for Oswald shooting him . ? He had already been hit , high on the back with the round exiting his throats which then went on to injure another occupant , a senator I think .. I can't think she would be trying to pick up his skull , from what I see he was hit high right on the head , more as Wilf says trying to get out in panic .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KES2 171 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think the one thing which strikes most strongly is WHY documents were withheld ? The same with Dunblane - withheld. Who would stand to benefit ? Well, because they were withheld, someone stands to benefit or is it assumed we would all be so traumatised by the truth that the 'public interest' means we should be prevented from knowing the whole truth ? So conspiracy theories are born and in the case of Dunblane, born with some very good reason. Blair again and the 'dossier of chemical weapons' type of untruth. JFK was 'the saviour of the free world' because of his stance on the Cuban missile crisis (act of war speech) there are so many people who would have benefited from his silence let alone those who were committed to revenge. I'd like to read both sets of papers myself to finally form an accurate view. I think the air rifle theory is just a puff of wind. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,803 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Few questions for those who know about this In the video before he's shot it looks like he's grimacing or something. Was he hit before the head shot ? Was it to retrieve the skull the reason his wife climbed over the car or trying to escape in panic ? Was any motive thought of for Oswald shooting him . ? He had already been hit , high on the back with the round exiting his throats which then went on to injure another occupant , a senator I think .. I can't think she would be trying to pick up his skull , from what I see he was hit high right on the head , more as Wilf says trying to get out in panic .. Having looked at that a few times I don't think she was trying to get out , could she have been trying to get the security people in closer ..she seemed to have a purpose ..whatever it was she wasn't trying to pick up bits of skull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,909 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Forgive me if I am wrong but is it true that what you see in that footage isn't necessarily a head shot, with a high power round that could have hit him in the back and simply exited out of his head? Anyway, that's what someone shot in the head looks like......not pretty is it chaps. What you don't see is what a f***ing mess would have been in that car........that wouldn't have been pretty either. That's a hell of a lot of head trauma for a shot that didn't enter the head. If it in some way entered the body was redirected and left through the skull it was still carrying a hell of a lot of energy for a bullet that has completely changed direction through whatever mechanism (ricochet etc). 6.5 is a fairly pokey round. I dunno if they have the same tendency to be redirected like a little 22 (5.56)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,803 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think the one thing which strikes most strongly is WHY documents were withheld ? The same with Dunblane - withheld. Who would stand to benefit ?Well, because they were withheld, someone stands to benefit or is it assumed we would all be so traumatised by the truth that the 'public interest' means we should be prevented from knowing the whole truth ? The people who benefit are usually higher up the chain of command and their benefit is saving their own arse ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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