Born Hunter 17,639 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 19,397 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. To put it bluntly.. Does having a wank stop a rapist? NO! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. I know what you're saying Born, but do you think the use of adult sex dolls has ever quelled a mans urge to have sex with an adult women? I don't expect you to personally know the answer to that! Haha......I would say if they were going to prescribe anything it should be drugs that kills their sex drive? Edited August 3, 2017 by Accip74 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. To put it bluntly.. Does having a wank stop a rapist? NO! How would you or I know? We can't let disgust justify ignorance. Without knowing the effects then it would be dangerous to just role out such a scheme on the off chance it does reduce it because obviously it could very well encourage it. My point is that nobody has really considered whether or not it might actually be effective. We're all too disgusted to bother to evaluate it objectively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. I know what you're saying Born, but do you think the use of adult sex dolls has ever quelled a mans urge to have sex with an adult women? I don't expect you to personally know the answer to that! Haha......I would say if they were going prescribe anything it should be drugs that kills their sex drive? I think these issues are f***ing social dynamite. Most folks don't want to actually understand what causes these problems, we all get too emotional to want to consider anything other than a violent solution. But the problem is too complex to expect a wack-a-paedo solution to be the best. If we never bother to investigate the cause and effects of this we can never develop effective preventative measures. Neutralising convicted paedophiles is great, I'm not against that, but it's a sticking plaster, not a preventative measure. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. To put it bluntly.. Does having a wank stop a rapist? NO! How would you or I know? We can't let disgust justify ignorance. Without knowing the effects then it would be dangerous to just role out such a scheme on the off chance it does reduce it because obviously it could very well encourage it. My point is that nobody has really considered whether or not it might actually be effective. We're all too disgusted to bother to evaluate it objectively. The 'charity' involved want their sick fantasies to be taxpayer-funded ! But, my real disgust is saved for the company that markets, roduces and sells such things ! If you facilitate ANY illegal activity, surely you are tacitly justifying it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. I know what you're saying Born, but do you think the use of adult sex dolls has ever quelled a mans urge to have sex with an adult women? I don't expect you to personally know the answer to that! Haha......I would say if they were going prescribe anything it should be drugs that kills their sex drive? I think these issues are f***ing social dynamite. Most folks don't want to actually understand what causes these problems, we all get too emotional to want to consider anything other than a violent solution. But the problem is too complex to expect a wack-a-paedo solution to be the best. If we never bother to investigate the cause and effects of this we can never develop effective preventative measures. Neutralising convicted paedophiles is great, I'm not against that, but it's a sticking plaster, not a preventative measure. I completely agree mate & I doubt I'll be giving it much thought, but it's just my opinion that in this case I can't see that working, perhaps even the opposite? The trouble with drugs, you can't trust the people to take them, so that's not a solve all solution either..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. To put it bluntly.. Does having a wank stop a rapist? NO! How would you or I know? We can't let disgust justify ignorance. Without knowing the effects then it would be dangerous to just role out such a scheme on the off chance it does reduce it because obviously it could very well encourage it. My point is that nobody has really considered whether or not it might actually be effective. We're all too disgusted to bother to evaluate it objectively. The 'charity' involved want their sick fantasies to be taxpayer-funded ! But, my real disgust is saved for the company that markets, roduces and sells such things ! If you facilitate ANY illegal activity, surely you are tacitly justifying it ? The police are tax payer funded, as are many other schemes designed to prevent crime, or more fundamentally harm to innocents. I just think it's important to evaluate the real effects of such a scheme. Regarding the manufacturers, like most of you I only found out such vile things existed recently so I'm not exactly clued up on it, lol. If manufacturers were making them for a proven legal 'prescription' for the purpose of crime prevention, as suggested then I don't think that qualifies as illegal or tacit justification. Obviously the current manufacturers who are exploiting paedophilia and therefore extremely harmful acts against children are about as low as you can get! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) I completely agree mate & I doubt I'll be giving it much thought, but it's just my opinion that in this case I can't see that working, perhaps even the opposite? The trouble with drugs, you can't trust the people to take them, so that's not a solve all solution either..... Oh I don't necessarily think it'll work. Similar to what Kanny said, having a five knuckle shuffle doesn't stop me lusting over women, lol. But as a scientist, I know full well that that thinking is nothing close to conclusive. I can't let an anecdote justify my instinctive anger. It's a truly disturbing and disgusting thing to contemplate but IF IF IF it was shown to reduce offences against the most vulnerable and sensitive members of society then we have a duty to put aside our disgust and talk about it. PS the charity may also be total perverts for all I know. Edited August 3, 2017 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonjon79 13,340 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Honestly, I think that, in this situation, violence is a fantastic idea. ..... these people should be hunted down and dealt with. The fact that they're offered protection by the law after committing their offense and, given a social worker has lead to them not being afraid. This has brought us to the point where some sick c**t thinks that giving them a child sized sex doll is a good idea. It won't help at all - it's disgusting and it's an insult to common decency. What will help is good old fashioned retribution - they need to be so scared of what will happen to them if they're discovered that they push their nasty little urges away when they first ever feel them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,756 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Don't care what anyone says that's just wrong. It's no good pandering to their deprived needs it's just seems like the thin end of the wedge to acceptance. No toleration of any sort ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it actually works then as uncomfortable as it is is it that mad to consider it? Fact is, we're not completely removing paedophiles from society so they remain a threat and burden to society. That's not likely to change either. Accepting that, if such a measure was shown to reduce the number of offences is it not our moral duty to get over our disgust for the sake of children's safety? And if anybody says "just kill them", then you've not understood what I have written... Just strikes me that everybody is so disgusted, nobody has quite stopped to think if it might actually work. To put it bluntly.. Does having a wank stop a rapist? NO! How would you or I know? We can't let disgust justify ignorance. Without knowing the effects then it would be dangerous to just role out such a scheme on the off chance it does reduce it because obviously it could very well encourage it. My point is that nobody has really considered whether or not it might actually be effective. We're all too disgusted to bother to evaluate it objectively. The 'charity' involved want their sick fantasies to be taxpayer-funded ! But, my real disgust is saved for the company that markets, roduces and sells such things ! If you facilitate ANY illegal activity, surely you are tacitly justifying it ? The police are tax payer funded, as are many other schemes designed to prevent crime, or more fundamentally harm to innocents. I just think it's important to evaluate the real effects of such a scheme. Regarding the manufacturers, like most of you I only found out such vile things existed recently so I'm not exactly clued up on it, lol. If manufacturers were making them for a proven legal 'prescription' for the purpose of crime prevention, as suggested then I don't think that qualifies as illegal or tacit justification. Obviously the current manufacturers who are exploiting paedophilia and therefore extremely harmful acts against children are about as low as you can get! Born, I don't often disagree with you, but I do on this occasion..... Whether 'prescribed' or not, the justification is inferred. If you'll pardon my crudity, it's saying to them "You know it's illegal to f*** kids, but here's a doll so you can pretend to f*** kids !" Sorry mate, that's the way I see it ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 As an analogy.... Heroin addicts can get methadone on prescription, but it's a poor substitute - most of them still take heroin, too ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,756 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Perhaps they should let people that batter their children like baby P have these dolls to beat the f**k put off so that don't touch real children fffs 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Born, I don't often disagree with you, but I do on this occasion..... Whether 'prescribed' or not, the justification is inferred. If you'll pardon my crudity, it's saying to them "You know it's illegal to f*** kids, but here's a doll so you can pretend to f*** kids !" Sorry mate, that's the way I see it ! That's fine. Opinions are fine. Hypotheses are good. But they're not facts. All I'm saying is that all I'm hearing is outrage based on opinion. Nobody seems to give a shit about the facts. Hypothetically if we were all wrong about this being a bad idea and it was shown to reduce offences then we would have a moral duty to put aside our disgust for the sake of effectively protecting children. Not many folks seem to get that though. They all think that they know the facts already. Edited August 3, 2017 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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