Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Penda said: Think he's more a tulamor dew fella Who kicked your bowl over Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,092 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 You’ve had your moments mate ,mostly shite though 1 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, foxdropper said: You’ve had your moments mate ,mostly shite though I thought as much Quote Link to post
Bolero 67 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 21/12/2020 at 15:17, Black neck said: I see but if u was 2 line a bitch and u stumbled across a dog that was a better worker than yours but not related would unuse that dog or plod on wi ur own stuff What would the reason to use the non related. You say the dog is a better worker than what I have but my chances of getting the quality of dog I want from breeding to the non related dog aren’t to high regardless of the dog being a better worker. I keep seeing over and over again Breed worker to worker it’s simple when that is so far from being even remotely true. My question is all the guys saying who cares how the dogs bred as long as it’s a top worker how many times have those guys made a breeding and if worker to worker is the best bet than those guys should have whole bunch or top workers that they can show. This isn’t opinion and while what is known about genetics and how traits are inherited isn’t an exact science there are basic rules that apply. The top breeders of racing greyhounds are damn sure not just going and breeding to a dog strictly based on its performance. No breeder of a top performance animals whose livelihoods depend on being able to produce top workers would do that. You can look at the top race horses same thing In race horses if you just look at the first three generations your going to think there’s no relation but but then you got two or three relatives multiple times in the fifth sixth and so forth. Not sure what y’all know about horses but every thoroughbred race can be traced back to just three males. The Darley Arabian, the godolphin Arabian and the Byerley Turk making every thouroughbred race horse close my related regardless of of if in a couple generations there’s no particular horses repeated more than once. im simplifying genes work and the modes of inheritance but Say you have dog and he’s the best worker you ever owned too notch in all areas very minor faults that won’t hinder performance. The best and proven way to have the best chances to get more dogs like him is to take him to related female that has some of the same dogs in the pedigree as he does. But the most important thing is that both the male and female aren’t just a fluke and were the only good dog in there litters and had crap parents. You want to breed to dogs that come from litters that had a fair percentage of good workers and whose parents and grandparents were good workers which tells yo that this line can produce consistently good dogs 2 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bolero said: What would the reason to use the non related. You say the dog is a better worker than what I have but my chances of getting the quality of dog I want from breeding to the non related dog aren’t to high regardless of the dog being a better worker. I keep seeing over and over again Breed worker to worker it’s simple when that is so far from being even remotely true. My question is all the guys saying who cares how the dogs bred as long as it’s a top worker how many times have those guys made a breeding and if worker to worker is the best bet than those guys should have whole bunch or top workers that they can show. This isn’t opinion and while what is known about genetics and how traits are inherited isn’t an exact science there are basic rules that apply. The top breeders of racing greyhounds are damn sure not just going and breeding to a dog strictly based on its performance. No breeder of a top performance animals whose livelihoods depend on being able to produce top workers would do that. You can look at the top race horses same thing In race horses if you just look at the first three generations your going to think there’s no relation but but then you got two or three relatives multiple times in the fifth sixth and so forth. Not sure what y’all know about horses but every thoroughbred race can be traced back to just three males. The Darley Arabian, the godolphin Arabian and the Byerley Turk making every thouroughbred race horse close my related regardless of of if in a couple generations there’s no particular horses repeated more than once. im simplifying genes work and the modes of inheritance but Say you have dog and he’s the best worker you ever owned too notch in all areas very minor faults that won’t hinder performance. The best and proven way to have the best chances to get more dogs like him is to take him to related female that has some of the same dogs in the pedigree as he does. But the most important thing is that both the male and female aren’t just a fluke and were the only good dog in there litters and had crap parents. You want to breed to dogs that come from litters that had a fair percentage of good workers and whose parents and grandparents were good workers which tells yo that this line can produce consistently good dogs Ok mate Quote Link to post
Bolero 67 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Black neck said: Ok mate Lol I know that was entirely too long I honestly wouldn’t have read it either Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bolero said: Lol I know that was entirely too long I honestly wouldn’t have read it either I read it brother and pretended 2 understand it also , Did u understand it 1 Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Black neck said: Who kicked your bowl over I was throwing a complement your way young sir Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Penda said: I was throwing a complement your way young sir Yeah I know the creme du month went 2 me head I'm alright now had a cuppa soup Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Black neck said: Yeah I know the creme du month went 2 me head I'm alright now had a cuppa soup I like a caramel larte and 2 borbons Quote Link to post
Bolero 67 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Black neck said: I read it brother and pretended 2 understand it also , Did u understand it Lol yes I understood it. I tend to have a hard time getting my thoughts and writing them in a decently organized and easily understandable way. I’m my head I know exactly what I mean writing it out clearly however is different matter. not sure how interested in the subject but if you feel like reading a little. Google wright’s coefficient of inbreeding 1 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, Bolero said: Lol yes I understood it. I tend to have a hard time getting my thoughts and writing them in a decently organized and easily understandable way. I’m my head I know exactly what I mean writing it out clearly however is different matter. not sure how interested in the subject but if you feel like reading a little. Google wright’s coefficient of inbreeding I actually helped Wright with that theory 1 Quote Link to post
poxon 5,555 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, Bolero said: Lol yes I understood it. I tend to have a hard time getting my thoughts and writing them in a decently organized and easily understandable way. I’m my head I know exactly what I mean writing it out clearly however is different matter. not sure how interested in the subject but if you feel like reading a little. Google wright’s coefficient of inbreeding I read your write up mate fair play. my self I stuggle to get down in writing what I’m actually on about I write a lot of replys that I delete because I feel it’s to long a reply to something simple plus I get told it’s a sermon it don’t bother me but think what’s the point in the end as every reply you give most take it as a insult 1 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,169 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, poxon said: I read your write up mate fair play. my self I stuggle to get down in writing what I’m actually on about I write a lot of replys that I delete because I feel it’s to long a reply to something simple plus I get told it’s a sermon it don’t bother me but think what’s the point in the end as every reply you give most take it as a insult Fackin mean by that ya mag Quote Link to post
toolebox 1,389 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) I'm very lucky that I can keep as many dogs as I do & work them .One of my bitches who's a very good dog has dropped a litter of 7 pups yesterday. She is the result of 25 years of breeding the best we have to each other .These pups have been sired by the bitches grandfather also a very good dog ,a method I call one out then back in resulting in getting a double dose of the sire & this has resulted in many wonderful working dogs .We only breed from proven high quality workers ,but its fair to say they now carry a real mix of breeds and so to get a standard type pup , we like to use a Dam or Sire that is a cross of two breeds only so when come back in you get a double dose of those two breeds ,seems to work enough for us .A small group of us like minded people share the lines and pups ,any that are not required are sold to pet homes to off set the cost of keeping the others . Edited December 23, 2020 by toolebox 1 Quote Link to post
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