Penda 3,190 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Black neck said: With lurchers there's already more than 1 breed in the mix say you was line breeding black terriers I don't think u could do it many times before u got problems That's a valid point Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,078 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Why’s that mate .Too many people think breeding close is a problem .Well it ain’t . Surely if u continue 2 breed in and in within the same family u will get deformation Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,091 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Tell me why mate .Start with good stock and continue .With lurchers of mixed breed the line should be limitless . Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,078 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, foxdropper said: Tell me why mate .Start with good stock and continue .With lurchers of mixed breed the line should be limitless . So u should never need an outcross Quote Link to post
poxon 5,528 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 I do find all this line breeding stuff really interesting but think you'd have to surround your self with the right sort of people with the same enthusiasm of the cross you tend to line breed the litter wastage would be out this world an the amount of pups produced would be bonkers i still can’t fully get my head round the lurcher world 5yr rule for bitches 1 Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,091 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Exactly what do you think can go wrong with breeding closely to descent stock .Many many lies told about the whole thing .I’ve known of loads of inbred lines and only one has resulted in a deformity ,a cleft pallet . Show me the lines that are wracked with deformities . Quote Link to post
Penda 3,190 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Tell me why mate .Start with good stock and continue .With lurchers of mixed breed the line should be limitless . Hmmmm I'm on the fence here with this 1 I think you can inbreed too much sometimes it is necessary though if you want the right stuff,Blackie does have a valid point though inbreed is a problem Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,091 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Let’s start with why you are breeding and how often .The very best line breeders I know only breed when THEY need a replacement and never for anybody else .The law of average states the more you breed the more chance of deformity with any breeding plan . 2 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,078 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Penda said: Hmmmm I'm on the fence here with this 1 I think you can inbreed too much sometimes it is necessary though if you want the right stuff,Blackie does have a valid point though inbreed is a problem If u was line breeding for arguments sake bull greyhounds half xs so half x 2 half x in and in you would eventually end up 2 lightly built or short arsed or both then what do u do Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,078 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, foxdropper said: Let’s start with why you are breeding and how often .The very best line breeders I know only breed when THEY need a replacement and never for anybody else .The law of average states the more you breed the more chance of deformity with any breeding plan . So u agree it shouldn't be done 2 often Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,091 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Penda said: Hmmmm I'm on the fence here with this 1 I think you can inbreed too much sometimes it is necessary though if you want the right stuff,Blackie does have a valid point though inbreed is a problem It’s only a problem if your stock holds the problem gene to start with .You cannot breed in faults without introducing them . Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,078 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, foxdropper said: It’s only a problem if your stock holds the problem gene to start with .You cannot breed in faults without introducing them . That makes sense Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,091 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Black neck said: So u agree it shouldn't be done 2 often Can only speak from experience mate .Father daughter ,niece matings have been my thing for 36 years .I’m all but out the game now but I’ve no probs talking about how it went . When you say too often what do you mean ,every year ,every other ,every 5 or no set plan ,just breed for replacements. Quote Link to post
Penda 3,190 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, foxdropper said: It’s only a problem if your stock holds the problem gene to start with .You cannot breed in faults without introducing them . I dunno about that heres1 for my pal a good few years back bred a litter of a well bred dog did it's job 10 fold put it to a none related bitch all the pups turned out belters but unfortunately 1 had a cleft palate now how can this be Quote Link to post
poxon 5,528 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Penda said: Hmmmm I'm on the fence here with this 1 I think you can inbreed too much sometimes it is necessary though if you want the right stuff,Blackie does have a valid point though inbreed is a problem I remember with canarys a canarys breeding span was avarage about 5yrs so you could inbreed 5gen till you would need to add new blood but it’d be a close relative but with a dog an this 5yr graft policy and a dog living to 10-12yr old you’d only get to the second maybe 3rgen of the original dog for inbreeding before it snuffed it 1 Quote Link to post
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