Saluki Greyhounds

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I think some people on here are getting confused. I thought we were comparing which is the best at being a lurcher (chasing and catching) not gameness(pulling stuff from holes etc. ).

Before the ban I ran hare, Roe, fox regular and I never seen one single bull/greyhound that could live with a Saluki cross for catch rate. If the bull didnt catch in the first 20 seconds then it wouldnt catch, it would slowly lose pace after that. I seen loads that literally got straight lined by Roe during the day, they couldnt even get a bend in.

i had a 3/8 5/8 bitch that could knock roe off in the day on her own good runs aswell I got rid cause of one silly mistake fool me but that's the way it goes I suppose

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My mate would never ever entertain a bull type lurcher even to this day even when he saw some of the best dogs my mate had and what they were capable of just the way people are he's mad for the old humble beddy greyhound or beddy whippet always has been

 

I think this is the beauty and versatility of all the various crosses or types. Like I said in the 'favourite cross' thread, everone will have their own favourite, doesn't matter if it's 'the best', you'll still prefer 'your' type, Most proper lurcher and longdog types will catch most quarry in britain, doesn't matter if it's not 'the best'. I've always favoured dogs with deerhound and collie in, took everything I wanted, couldn't give a flying f**k if they were the best.

 

But I couldn't own a bull cross or beddy cross! Lol

 

Anyway, wasn't the original question in this thread Saluki Greyhounds, anyone ever used them on fox? Not 'what's the best fox dog, saluki/greyound or bull/greyhound?

ive run deerhound crosses and collie crosses and I'd probably own both breeds if again if I live a long life as for the question there are saluki greyhounds out there that take fox and take them well I dare say it's just getting the right one I suppose I have saw them but that was many moons ago these were more to the 3/4 greyhound type

[C.green 3,206]

There whippets that kill foxes doesn't mean if you wanted a fox dog you would go buy a whippet does it ?

 

Seen some good coursing dogs do everything aswell as the usual stuff but thing is for the amount that are bred your bound to get the odd one that is a goodun I've found 90% of them need abit of something else if your doing anything other than hares and the odd roe deer.

[Shaddy93 840]

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

 

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

Edited May 11, 2017 by arcticgun

[roybo 2,873]

There whippets that kill foxes doesn't mean if you wanted a fox dog you would go buy a whippet does it ?

Seen some good coursing dogs do everything aswell as the usual stuff but thing is for the amount that are bred your bound to get the odd one that is a goodun I've found 90% of them need abit of something else if your doing anything other than hares and the odd roe deer.

Very good point about coursing dogs ,that for an all-rounder they need something else in there ,but I suppose that could stand for most crosses ,.

Most of the best lurchers I've seen,seem to be lurcher to lurcher usually of differing types ,be that coursing dog to bull x ,or collie x to deerhound cross

Just getting it to drop right that's the hard bit

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

 

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

Saluki's are used for hare coursing because of there stamina yes but there used in very large open fields that are flat and have no hedges usually, the fact you think bull greyhounds need a full field to turn makes me think your categorising the bullgreyhound a half cross type dog my dog and other bull crosses iv had and seen wipe the floor with rabbits, I know true coursing men 'chalky and the boys' and I know lads in that group that wouldn't ever want there dog to touch a fox they certainly don't class them as fox dogs Edited May 11, 2017 by Shaddy93

[roybo 2,873]

I'd say Saluki crosses are used for hare coursing....you keep saying Saluki they aren't the same

[shaaark 10,198]

 

 

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

Saluki's are used for hare coursing because of there stamina yes but there used in very large open fields that are flat and have no hedges usually, the fact you think bull greyhounds need a full field to turn makes me think your categorising the bullgreyhound a half cross type dog my dog and other bull crosses iv had and seen wipe the floor with rabbits, I know true coursing men 'chalky and the boys' and I know lads in that group that wouldn't ever want there dog to touch a fox they certainly don't class them as fox dogs

 

I'm not a saluki fan myself. But to imply that bull crosses in general can twist and turn like a saluki can, is frankly more than a little silly. Apart from the more whippety types, I've not seen any lurcher type as agile or nimble as a saluki

[Shaddy93 840]

Listen I think we're all going off subject abit the thread was put up asking about a fixing dog and my argument is a pure bred saluki doesn't compare to a good racey bull greyhound fact

[stop.end 4,079]

To be honest yous could argue night and day..there is quality and shite in salukis and bull xs just depends who owns them.

[desertbred 5,490]

Chalky and the Boys are Hare coursers with purpose bred coursing dogs they dont like to put their dogs on other stuff I know., Salukis are a sighthound running dog that takes the full spectrum of game legal or not. They in the right hands and from the right stock can do the required field or fen. Hedges are part and parcel of coursing. Hares will use hedgelines where available at every opportunity to evade the hound more than most other game. I Dont know what Salukis you have been watching but you have a lot of poor information. My bitches love it in amongst the trees nailing squirrels if nothing else is around, so the slow turning is madam and working cover they can do it no problem as do lots of other pure salukis with various owners..

Edited May 11, 2017 by desertbred

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

Saluki's are used for hare coursing because of there stamina yes but there used in very large open fields that are flat and have no hedges usually, the fact you think bull greyhounds need a full field to turn makes me think your categorising the bullgreyhound a half cross type dog my dog and other bull crosses iv had and seen wipe the floor with rabbits, I know true coursing men 'chalky and the boys' and I know lads in that group that wouldn't ever want there dog to touch a fox they certainly don't class them as fox dogs

 

of course they wouldn't want the dog on a fox they don't hunt them, so your point is? am I supposed to be impressed that you know some lads on chalkies site? oh I wish I did lol and I never said bull grey needs a field to turn I just said salukis and saluki crosses turn better in general, and Id be seriously worried if a lurcher couldn't handle rabbits so again your point is what?

 

I agree that the pure saluki is not the ultimate fox dog, Ive stated what I think is better, you yourself admit you currently run bull grey with some saluki in it yes? well why do you do that if the bull greyhounds you bred could do everything, ncluding six reds in two days, why add saluki into the mix and make them weaker and squeakier?

Edited May 11, 2017 by arcticgun

[Penda 3,237]

Listen I think we're all going off subject abit the thread was put up asking about a fixing dog and my argument is a pure bred saluki doesn't compare to a good racey bull greyhound fact

you know deep down inside your a secret saluki lover I bet you've got a few pictures of them hiding some where?

[Berserker 0]

Stop.end I agree to some degree but as the saying goes you can't polish a turd and make it shine. All you can do is make your choice feed it, train it enter it sensibly and hope for the best.