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1 hour ago, green lurchers said:

Hey mr Jones was wondering if you was ok being the situation as it is , given the choice as it is  trump or Biden ? You know what’s coming from both. 

You better than most know my thoughts on Trump and I haven't actually seen anything unexpected from him. The most notable aspect I've seen this year is how he's consistently lost the support of the independent voters that helped elect him in 2016. We all knew he was divisive but it just seems he's squandered the last 3½ years with his petty social media tantrums.

Most people have seen me a some kind of liberal, or Democrat, judging by some of the post responses I've had but that's how the nature of these forums work. It couldn't be further from the truth. Just because I think Trump is useless doesn't mean I support Bernie, Creepy Uncle Joe, or Hillary. I've never supported any of them and I don't see a benefit in either party. I have shown interest in some policies that both parties have put forward but it's by no means an endorsement of either. Each wants to protect certain rights while quashing others. I want a candidate that supports all of them.

Both of these parties want to expand the reach of the federal government. Both of these parties want to see further intrusions on the lives of everyday Americans and for them to contribute a steadily increasing amount of their hard earned money to further the social programs of whichever party has the reigns. Trump promised to change that, and subsequently didn't. Biden promises to change it, and if he's elected, ultimately won't. The only difference between the two is the span of their careers.

In short I can't stand either of them. Trump squandered his opportunity and the best the democrats can come up with is a half a century career politican who's been instrumental in some of the most damaging legislation to effect everyday America. Look at his record on perpetual war. Look at his record that has imprisoned record levels of Americans on b*llsh*t drug possession charges, and that's before we start on his attack on the Constitution's 1st and 2nd Amendments. Anyone who thinks the democrats gave a flying f*ck about BLM should have seen how little they did since the 60's and they're only all over it now because it's an election season and the tangerine dream flaps his mouth every time someone sticks a microphone underneath it.

Whoever wins in November, I won't be cheering. Whoever wins we all lose. Just a shame the game-changing result in 2016 turned out to be a fresh coat of paint on a festering turd. I'm only hoping enough of the independents who voted for Donnie in 2016 come out and vote for a quality libertarian candidate so we move forward once and for all. :thumbs:

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5 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

You better than most know my thoughts on Trump and I haven't actually seen anything unexpected from him. The most notable aspect I've seen this year is how he's consistently lost the support of the independent voters that helped elect him in 2016. We all knew he was divisive but it just seems he's squandered the last 3½ years with his petty social media tantrums.

Most people have seen me a some kind of liberal, or Democrat, judging by some of the post responses I've had but that's how the nature of these forums work. It couldn't be further from the truth. Just because I think Trump is useless doesn't mean I support Bernie, Creepy Uncle Joe, or Hillary. I've never supported any of them and I don't see a benefit in either party. I have shown interest in some policies that both parties have put forward but it's by no means an endorsement of either. Each wants to protect certain rights while quashing others. I want a candidate that supports all of them.

Both of these parties want to expand the reach of the federal government. Both of these parties want to see further intrusions on the lives of everyday Americans and for them to contribute a steadily increasing amount of their hard earned money to further the social programs of whichever party has the reigns. Trump promised to change that, and subsequently didn't. Biden promises to change it, and if he's elected, ultimately won't. The only difference between the two is the span of their careers.

In short I can't stand either of them. Trump squandered his opportunity and the best the democrats can come up with is a half a century career politican who's been instrumental in some of the most damaging legislation to effect everyday America. Look at his record on perpetual war. Look at his record that has imprisoned record levels of Americans on b*llsh*t drug possession charges, and that's before we start on his attack on the Constitution's 1st and 2nd Amendments. Anyone who thinks the democrats gave a flying f*ck about BLM should have seen how little they did since the 60's and they're only all over it now because it's an election season and the tangerine dream flaps his mouth every time someone sticks a microphone underneath it.

Whoever wins in November, I won't be cheering. Whoever wins we all lose. Just a shame the game-changing result in 2016 turned out to be a fresh coat of paint on a festering turd. I'm only hoping enough of the independents who voted for Donnie in 2016 come out and vote for a quality libertarian candidate so we move forward once and for all. :thumbs:

Great words mr j but in a political fashion u didn’t answer lol  will add I hope to god the brainless aoc won’t have input. You know the girl from the bronx that moved to nicey place Yorktown. Richville  at 2 yrs of age but rattled on she’s the girl from the hood  ?  the squad of traitors 2020 I pray not 

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Just now, green lurchers said:

Great words mr j but in a political fashion u didn’t answer lol  will add I hope to god the brainless aoc won’t have input. You know the girl from the bronx that moved to nicey place Yorktown. Richville  at 2 yrs of age but rattled on she’s the girl from the hood  ?  the squad of traitors 2020 I pray not 

You asked me if I was okay with the situation? Trump or Biden? I think I answered but to clarify I'm not okay with either of them! :laugh:

America will only start to benefit from politics when it's no longer treated like your local footy team and they've had enough of their power removed that they no longer matter and you won't even know who the president is.

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9 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

You asked me if I was okay with the situation? Trump or Biden? I think I answered but to clarify I'm not okay with either of them! :laugh:

America will only start to benefit from politics when it's no longer treated like your local footy team and they've had enough of their power removed that they no longer matter and you won't even know who the president is.

Ok mate who if pushed u vote for and I won’t accept no one lol the war mongering Lib Dem Marxists or the ego maniac trump ?  ? My buds vote for gun carry home protection and police   That is the big factor no one speaks of who gives a fk unless you can shoot the armed robbing meth  crack head creeping in the family home 

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2 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

Ok mate who if pushed u vote for and I won’t accept no one lol the war mongering Lib Dem Marxists or the ego maniac trump ?  ?

If you're only giving me the choice of two to vote for then I'd abstain. I cannot vote for either in good conscience.

If you want to know who I'm voting for it's Jo Jorgensen.

Luckily we don't live in a system where we're limited to just the two choices. If I did I wouldn't vote or I'd write my dogs name in on the ballot. She at least wouldn't cause any harm.

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2 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

she won’t get the chance as the Dems have carved it out as them and us no room for inbetweeners 

Agreed but I vote based on evidence and my conscience. Basically what I see is right, and not on who I feel the need to 'own' this meme cycle... Politics in the developed world is about winning and losing, which I disagree with. It should be about electing officials to govern our affairs not to rule us as they see fit. Neither the Republican or Democratic party are onboard with that chain of thought which is why I cannot, in good faith, give either of them my vote.

I don't fully agree with everything the Libertarian party stands for but I feel it's the closest to my world view. In an imperfect world that's as good as I can currently get. The more people that break away from this two party choice the better but it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for. That's between you and the ballot box.

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24 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Agreed but I vote based on evidence and my conscience. Basically what I see is right, and not on who I feel the need to 'own' this meme cycle... Politics in the developed world is about winning and losing, which I disagree with. It should be about electing officials to govern our affairs not to rule us as they see fit. Neither the Republican or Democratic party are onboard with that chain of thought which is why I cannot, in good faith, give either of them my vote.

I don't fully agree with everything the Libertarian party stands for but I feel it's the closest to my world view. In an imperfect world that's as good as I can currently get. The more people that break away from this two party choice the better but it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for. That's between you and the ballot box.

I agree but that’s in a political utopia  world , it sort of boils down to now as mass immigration Marxist anarchy or shoot that fker who’s trying to break in my house while the cops ain’t there no more and it’s down to me unless my guns are taken away and I’m fkd 

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Just now, green lurchers said:

I agree but that’s in a political utopia  world , it sort of boils down to now as mass immigration Marxist anarchy or shoot that fker who’s trying to break in my house while the cops ain’t there no more and it’s down to me unless my guns are taken away and I’m fkd 

Why does it have to be one or the other?

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12 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Why does it have to be one or the other?

Because the far left deem it so cos if u not  left or hard left you not left enough and hated for it or cancelled which is pretty much the same  

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2 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

Because the far left deem it so cos if u not  left or hard left you not left enough and hated for it 

I don't put too much stock into what the left thinks. Or the right for that matter. I stick with the people that are friendly but respect my privacy. Basically 99% of America. It's a lot different here than what is portrayed on social media. If you don't believe me look what Donnie and Joey have done for gun sales in the last 4 months! :laugh:

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6 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

I don't put too much stock into what the left thinks. Or the right for that matter. I stick with the people that are friendly but respect my privacy. Basically 99% of America. It's a lot different here than what is portrayed on social media. If you don't believe me look what Donnie and Joey have done for gun sales in the last 4 months! :laugh:

Haha he’ll yeah  

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