Sgt Blackwell Fingers Crossed For Him

[Paulnix 426]

Us civvies just don't know what goes on in war zones, but I'm sure it's a case of 'kill or be killed'.

 

I can remember back in the late 60's where a handcuffed Viet Cong was executed and footage was actually shown on the main news. The footage can still be seen on youtube.

 

A reporter photographed it as well, after the shot had been fired and before the victim fell, the bullet being inside the head of the victim.

 

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He won the Pulitzer prize for that but said afterwards he wish he never took the picture because of the backlash the General received. The VC wasthe local capt who had been killing police officers families earlier that day and the general did nothing wrong in killing him yet it helped galvanise the US public against the war.

The media are very fast to report of things which our boys harm, BBC in the Falklands being a prime example yet get away without any backlash because they are, our boys do what they need too for us including in some unsavoury ways and now are under the microscope, is there a savoury way to fight a war nowadays ? this isn't the Napoleonic era any more where Armies manoeuvred around to fight on a field but you now got people out of uniform fighting in built up area's with civilians there. Sometimes you got to do the nasty stuff to win.

We in the Falklands mostly took prisoners especially in the latter stages of the war when we could but doing that takes up manpower which we didn't have any spare of so at times they had to be killed.

[WILF 50,000]

LOL I gave you a bit of credit Wilf my Mistake LOL You say he was a " Combatant" He was a member of AlQuaida/Taliban a UN proscribed Terrorist organisation and many of his colleagues were interned in Guantanimo not as combatants but as Terrorists so they didnt come within the cover of the GC you havent got a clue what your talking about Wilf.. As for rinsing Innocents and Goats LOL you are a proper clown just remind me how long it took the Western forces to manage the sum total of f**k all in Syria Yet these goat slayers of Iran done it in double quick time go to sleep Wilf LOL

Just been reading two ex soldiers a 65 and 67 year old Ex Paras are being prosecuted for killing an IRA man in 1972 yet Provos were given amnesty this is ok is it Wilf? leave soldiers to do their jobs Wilf not be second guessed by civvies

 

Your Para/Provo example has no meaning in relation to this thread.

The bloke was an enemy combatant engaged in action in the field.

 

And once again, I will remind you we are talking about a world renowned military reduced to the size of a militia who remain one of the go to force when real stuff needs to get done at a soldiering level.

 

And again, with respect I don't really hear anybody saying "Let's phone up Iran" when some serious military operations need doing.

[WILF 50,000]

This is how British soldiers go to work, there's a few important lines in that I think relate to this thread......some folk should read them

 

Speech excerpt Edit

“ We go to Iraq to liberate not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them.

There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.

 

Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.

 

If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.

 

It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.

 

The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.

 

It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done lightly. I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts, I can assure you they live with the Mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.

 

The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.

 

If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.

 

[Regarding the use by Saddam of chemical or biological weapons] It is not a question of if, it's a question of when. We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.

 

As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.

 

Our business now is north.[14]

[desertbred 5,490]

 

LOL I gave you a bit of credit Wilf my Mistake LOL You say he was a " Combatant" He was a member of AlQuaida/Taliban a UN proscribed Terrorist organisation and many of his colleagues were interned in Guantanimo not as combatants but as Terrorists so they didnt come within the cover of the GC you havent got a clue what your talking about Wilf.. As for rinsing Innocents and Goats LOL you are a proper clown just remind me how long it took the Western forces to manage the sum total of f**k all in Syria Yet these goat slayers of Iran done it in double quick time go to sleep Wilf LOL

Just been reading two ex soldiers a 65 and 67 year old Ex Paras are being prosecuted for killing an IRA man in 1972 yet Provos were given amnesty this is ok is it Wilf? leave soldiers to do their jobs Wilf not be second guessed by civviesIf only you knew Wilf WHO REQUESTED iRAN TO PUT AN ENDTO THE cONFLICT IN sYRIA.

Your Para/Provo example has no meaning in relation to this thread.

The bloke was an enemy combatant engaged in action in the field.

 

And once again, I will remind you we are talking about a world renowned military reduced to the size of a militia who remain one of the go to force when real stuff needs to get done at a soldiering level.

 

And again, with respect I don't really hear anybody saying "Let's phone up Iran" when some serious military operations need doing.

 

We do ok Wilf LOL we get our hands dirty when needed and dont need super powers to bail us out. or blow our own trumpets Your making a lot of assumptions Wilf The terrorist in the Seargeants case was just that a member of a UN declared terror group Lets see the reaction from folk about the old Paras and the Provo you will be wrong again wake up Wilf. Your criticising a British NCO for his well intentioned actions in a field of conflict. Autopsies and disecting history are for folk in safety aye Wilf.?

Edited December 16, 2016 by desertbred

[WILF 50,000]

Mate, Crewe Alexander don't tell Barcelona how to play football lol

[desertbred 5,490]

Mate, Crewe Alexander don't tell Barcelona how to play football lol

Wilf shut up your digging a big hole you posted an excert relating to Chemical andbio weapons of Saddam the ones supplied by Britain, and America that were used on the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds in the North in the 1979 to 88 war Why do you think Blair was so sure they had them and more importantly why couldnt the weapons inspectors find them ? Wilf your out of your league mate and I DONT MEAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

[bird 10,014]

Should of left him there in the field suffering in hindsight.

true max, there bound to been loads that been mortally wounded out there , that's just been left for dead, and were ignored , if it had been one of our solders , they the enemy would have left him there . the mistake he made was letting other lads see him do it, he should have done with nobody else there .

[WILF 50,000]

DB, with all due respect you are talking absolute nonsense.......I know you like to style yourself as some kind of John Rambo in a kaftan but we are talking about how professional soldiers conduct themselves.

 

If you are the sort to cut round plugging un-armed and injured enemy combatants just say so.......stop trying to make up excuses.

 

It's wouldn't surprise me, I reckon that's standard practice for camel jockeys BUT it's not standard practice for the foremost purveyors of military action in the world.

Edited December 16, 2016 by WILF

[tilimangro 1,013]

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It's wouldn't surprise me, I reckon that's standard practice for camel jockeys BUT it's not standard practice for the foremost purveyors of military action in the world.

aside from your insult in there I agree with you to a point but only because we now have head cams

What he did was show boating but it's nothing that hasnt been done countless times

Before and your heads on the blink of you think otherwise

If it wasn't for headcams and some one was trying to off me and my mates I guarantee you I'd slot the c**t in the heat of it

And I still think he shouldn't be in prison for it

Thanks for f**k all uk

[WILF 50,000]

Me and DB trade mild insults, it's sort of what we do......he likes me really ! Lol

 

There's no place for show boating in regards to the rest if your post matey.

 

To me, there is no difference to if you have a fight outside the pub, knock the bloke out.......get your breath back for a minute then decide to kick the unconscious dude to death to impress the onlookers.

It's just not how proper people conduct themselves.

Edited December 16, 2016 by WILF

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,049]

it was war stuff happens ,, he killed the enemy job done!! the fkn clown that took the footage wants a clout . i dont understand how the footage was leaked.shame the mod didnt wave the magic wand and make it dissapear !!

He'll have to punch himself in the face, played up to the camera to become some sort of legend , I'd imagine as a snco he would have had a bit more nous than to allow the footage of him bringing the forces into disrepute like that

 

Some sort of f***ing idiot in my honest opinion to put his family and friends through that ...for what reason???

 

Utter moron and got what he deserved

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,049]

He was a professional soldiier, he stepped off the parade ground and got caught it happens and is part of the turmoil of conflict. Personally I dont think he should have been prosecuted he acted in a humane way . His downfall was his comment regarding breaking the Geneva Convention which should be torn up war is war. I hope the judges see the reality of the situation and send him home to his wife and kids.

 

Are you f***ing deluded? Tear up the Geneva convention?

[MickC 1,825]

Not to clued up on Military matters but as he was serving God and Country the Queen should have stepped in before he was sent to jail in the first place,just my take on it tbh.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,049]

There's been soldiers jailed and careers wrecked for a lot less than murder

 

It was murder to make himself look big

 

End of.

[BGD 6,437]

He knew the rules when he signed up and he chose to break them knowing the consequences if he got caught, now he's facing those consequences. Simple as that and I don't see how he deserves any sympathy.