Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Atheist- pure and simple mate ,a non believer ,a realist ,a strong minded person not prone to see ghosts ,hear voices or live according to a book nor keep boys in fridges .Happy days mate iv no probs with that at all, you probably follow the commandments anyway by default, like me, i have faith in jesus you dont, we can all get along.Iv went threw some dark times an came out the other side, an that was before i was a beleiver, so i think im pretty strong minded, Commandments ,now there's a word .Dictators all over the world have used that one to control the masses .I live by no commandments just human decency but your saying they are there anyway in the back of my mind from your bible ,a good angle too lol.Not trying to rub you up the wrong way but bad times in my life have only served to make me stronger ,not turn to ,well whatever you turned to .Got go now ,out to break a few commandments lol. I didnt turn to nothing mate, i got threw it as a non practiscing catholic, my mum was very ill all my life an i have no father, so ive really got threw it myself, ive only accepted jesuS a few years ago, after years of research of the big qs, why am i hear an were am i going lol No harm done mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 francie if you were born in in the middle east you would follow islam if you were born in india you would be a hindu ,if you were born in Tibet you would be a budhist ect ect ect ect ect it all depends on where you were raised and who indoctrinated you Yes i would have been born into whatever religon, but im sure id of found my way to jesus, if you do a bit of research, youl find that millions of muslims, hindus, jews chinese etc etc have come to christ, the truth always gets out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 10,275 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 GOD BLESS YOU ALL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treehands. 1,379 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 When we are dead we're dead. No afterlife or redemption , just plain old dead The problem is people just can't accept it and need hope and belief. We only have one crack at life and I'm not one for wasting valuable time living my life on the interpretations of a silly book written by a foreigner from a land that wants to wipe out non believers. Nah.. too busy living my life And when I'm dead I'm dead. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 3,038 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 francie if you were born in in the middle east you would follow islam if you were born in india you would be a hindu ,if you were born in Tibet you would be a budhist ect ect ect ect ect it all depends on where you were raised and who indoctrinated you Yes i would have been born into whatever religon, but im sure id of found my way to jesus, if you do a bit of research, youl find that millions of muslims, hindus, jews chinese etc etc have come to christ, the truth always gets out. there is not a lot of difference between you francie and an atheist you dismiss all religens bar one and I just dismiss one more than you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Wasp 219 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 bible says only way to heaven is if you beleive in the lord an what he sacraficed for us. Its a gift of God, by grace threw faith you are saved. Sorry Francie, but that reads to me: believe what i say or else. Another form of control. The bible was written by people. Thousands of years ago when the earth was a much more uncivilised place (that is not a joke by the way, even though i cant believe i just said it) and the masses needed to be controlled and manipulated. Much like is done today but differently. Think about it this way, if you dont beleive in the bible or God, then how is it do as i say or else, youd have to beleive in this concept first or else how could it apply as a control method? With respect mate do you know much about the bible have you read it? Could you explain to me how the bible could control people back then, when it was wrote hundreds of years apart by men who didnt even know each other, remember there was no www, or phones etc an only compiled into one several hundred years ago. Back in the day when folk were writing bits of the bible life was chaotic. I assume those that were trying to bring some order were doing so for good reasons? Anyhow, one way of doing that is to threaten the general populous with everlasting damnation if they misbehave themselves, thus "believe in this or" came about. This concept must have caught on between the wise men in the towns and villages across the years and was developed over time. I havent read the bible, to be honest anything more then two paragraphs, i click off. It is however interesting how a book which was wrote all those years ago has prevailed until this day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 francie if you were born in in the middle east you would follow islam if you were born in india you would be a hindu ,if you were born in Tibet you would be a budhist ect ect ect ect ect it all depends on where you were raised and who indoctrinated youYes i would have been born into whatever religon, but im sure id of found my way to jesus, if you do a bit of research, youl find that millions of muslims, hindus, jews chinese etc etc have come to christ, the truth always gets out. there is not a lot of difference between you francie and an atheist you dismiss all religens bar one and I just dismiss one more than you I dont dismiss them, i respect them mate, ive done my research into all of them, an came to the conclusion that the bible an the God of the bible is the one true God, thats just my opinion i came to over four to five years of research. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I often wonder if jesus was real and was a magician, for example if Derren brown was around then it'd probably be him and not jesus you worship 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 bible says only way to heaven is if you beleive in the lord an what he sacraficed for us. Its a gift of God, by grace threw faith you are saved. Sorry Francie, but that reads to me: believe what i say or else. Another form of control. The bible was written by people. Thousands of years ago when the earth was a much more uncivilised place (that is not a joke by the way, even though i cant believe i just said it) and the masses needed to be controlled and manipulated. Much like is done today but differently. Think about it this way, if you dont beleive in the bible or God, then how is it do as i say or else, youd have to beleive in this concept first or else how could it apply as a control method? With respect mate do you know much about the bible have you read it? Could you explain to me how the bible could control people back then, when it was wrote hundreds of years apart by men who didnt even know each other, remember there was no www, or phones etc an only compiled into one several hundred years ago. Back in the day when folk were writing bits of the bible life was chaotic. I assume those that were trying to bring some order were doing so for good reasons? Anyhow, one way of doing that is to threaten the general populous with everlasting damnation if they misbehave themselves, thus "believe in this or" came about. This concept must have caught on between the wise men in the towns and villages across the years and was developed over time. I havent read the bible, to be honest anything more then two paragraphs, i click off. It is however interesting how a book which was wrote all those years ago has prevailed until this day. How do you know it was chaotic? Infact the men that wrote the bible were normal men, men of great faith, they didnt control anything, actually some of them were inprisoned, some were killed. How can you have a valid opinion on something which youve never read? Your just going by hearsay. God said hed preserve his word, an thats how its still going. Heres a question for you, if it was all bullshit, an just storytelling, how come theres lots of scientific knowledge in the bible, wrote in there only to be discovered thousands of years later by science? Heres one, for the life of the flesh is in the blood, bible tells us that our blood is the life an without it your brown bread, i think it was george washington that blood was drained by his doctor an he died, if they had read the bible he might not of died. How do we find out about our bodies an dicease, blood tests, thats just one of the many scientific facts wrote in the bible thousands of years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I often wonder if jesus was real and was a magician, for example if Derren brown was around then it'd probably be him and not jesus you worship Highly unlikley mate, they were clued up on witchcraft an knew all about it, there were magicians on the ground back then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,425 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Drain the swamp 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 So you believe a man can be born with a dad, can walk on water and turn water into wine? The second two are well known magic tricks, as are moving heavy objects and stopping your pulse, witchcraft is mixing a few herbs together and doing bad deeds, what he did was more a showman like and flashy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Wasp 219 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 bible says only way to heaven is if you beleive in the lord an what he sacraficed for us. Its a gift of God, by grace threw faith you are saved. Sorry Francie, but that reads to me: believe what i say or else. Another form of control. The bible was written by people. Thousands of years ago when the earth was a much more uncivilised place (that is not a joke by the way, even though i cant believe i just said it) and the masses needed to be controlled and manipulated. Much like is done today but differently. Think about it this way, if you dont beleive in the bible or God, then how is it do as i say or else, youd have to beleive in this concept first or else how could it apply as a control method? With respect mate do you know much about the bible have you read it? Could you explain to me how the bible could control people back then, when it was wrote hundreds of years apart by men who didnt even know each other, remember there was no www, or phones etc an only compiled into one several hundred years ago. Back in the day when folk were writing bits of the bible life was chaotic. I assume those that were trying to bring some order were doing so for good reasons? Anyhow, one way of doing that is to threaten the general populous with everlasting damnation if they misbehave themselves, thus "believe in this or" came about. This concept must have caught on between the wise men in the towns and villages across the years and was developed over time. I havent read the bible, to be honest anything more then two paragraphs, i click off. It is however interesting how a book which was wrote all those years ago has prevailed until this day. How do you know it was chaotic? Infact the men that wrote the bible were normal men, men of great faith, they didnt control anything, actually some of them were inprisoned, some were killed. How can you have a valid opinion on something which youve never read? Your just going by hearsay. God said hed preserve his word, an thats how its still going. Heres a question for you, if it was all bullshit, an just storytelling, how come theres lots of scientific knowledge in the bible, wrote in there only to be discovered thousands of years later by science? Heres one, for the life of the flesh is in the blood, bible tells us that our blood is the life an without it your brown bread, i think it was george washington that blood was drained by his doctor an he died, if they had read the bible he might not of died. How do we find out about our bodies an dicease, blood tests, thats just one of the many scientific facts wrote in the bible thousands of years ago. oK, here is one for you, call it a revelation if you want. For the life of the flesh is in the head. I am telling you that without your head, your brown bread. It rhymes as well. Your reasoning isnt exactly science is it? Remove any major function of the body and things tend to go pear shaped. Even folk a few thousand years ago could figure that one out. After all, they tried just about every permutation of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 So you believe a man can be born with a dad, can walk on water and turn water into wine? The second two are well known magic tricks, as are moving heavy objects and stopping your pulse, witchcraft is mixing a few herbs together and doing bad deeds, what he did was more a showman like and flashy Yes he was God in the flesh, im sure he wasnt limited, an he changed water into wine, multiplyed the fish an bread to feed the people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 bible says only way to heaven is if you beleive in the lord an what he sacraficed for us. Its a gift of God, by grace threw faith you are saved. Sorry Francie, but that reads to me: believe what i say or else. Another form of control. The bible was written by people. Thousands of years ago when the earth was a much more uncivilised place (that is not a joke by the way, even though i cant believe i just said it) and the masses needed to be controlled and manipulated. Much like is done today but differently. Think about it this way, if you dont beleive in the bible or God, then how is it do as i say or else, youd have to beleive in this concept first or else how could it apply as a control method? With respect mate do you know much about the bible have you read it? Could you explain to me how the bible could control people back then, when it was wrote hundreds of years apart by men who didnt even know each other, remember there was no www, or phones etc an only compiled into one several hundred years ago. Back in the day when folk were writing bits of the bible life was chaotic. I assume those that were trying to bring some order were doing so for good reasons? Anyhow, one way of doing that is to threaten the general populous with everlasting damnation if they misbehave themselves, thus "believe in this or" came about. This concept must have caught on between the wise men in the towns and villages across the years and was developed over time. I havent read the bible, to be honest anything more then two paragraphs, i click off. It is however interesting how a book which was wrote all those years ago has prevailed until this day. How do you know it was chaotic?Infact the men that wrote the bible were normal men, men of great faith, they didnt control anything, actually some of them were inprisoned, some were killed. How can you have a valid opinion on something which youve never read? Your just going by hearsay. God said hed preserve his word, an thats how its still going. Heres a question for you, if it was all bullshit, an just storytelling, how come theres lots of scientific knowledge in the bible, wrote in there only to be discovered thousands of years later by science? Heres one, for the life of the flesh is in the blood, bible tells us that our blood is the life an without it your brown bread, i think it was george washington that blood was drained by his doctor an he died, if they had read the bible he might not of died. How do we find out about our bodies an dicease, blood tests, thats just one of the many scientific facts wrote in the bible thousands of years ago. oK, here is one for you, call it a revelation if you want. For the life of the flesh is in the head. I am telling you that without your head, your brown bread. It rhymes as well. Your reasoning isnt exactly science is it? Remove any major function of the body and things tend to go pear shaped. Even folk a few thousand years ago could figure that one out. After all, they tried just about every permutation of it. Well why were they draining the blood from people as a cure for dicease up until couple hundred years ago, that how the president washington was killed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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