old school 477 Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 If you think the dog has hit his peak how does his peak last for? And if you notice that he's gone stale how long would you rest him up for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,316 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Max, Think of a stress test in a hospital, you don't need to be fit enough to run a marathon. After a bit of a stress test, you make a considered decision whether you think the "heart" is strong enough to warrant the time effort to train it for the marathon. No point in training for a marathon if you hit the wall at ten.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old school 477 Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Thats right those " old hands " just bred the arse off curs like Bullyson and sold any buckskin colour dog they could get their hands on to all corners of the globe like ol Don did !................like i said mate those old tapes are great for historical interest but dont let yourself fall into the trap of thinking they were good old boys who were whiter than white..... time stands still for no man/dog and todays top competitors are far superior to yesterdays......and thats how it should be. I have no opinion on whether he quit or not, I just like reading up on articles etc... You can spend hours of interesting reading so I thought I'd post this link because half way down the page they talk about how bullyson had went into the match just in case you had an interest in reading it! http://rayfox6.tripod.com/id75.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,833 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Only a complete idiot would compare the working life of a competition bulldog to a competition greyhound its not even similar it would be like comparing football to cricket just because both involve a ball !......a greyhound might have upwards of what 50 contests in its career a bulldog will be lucky to have 3 or 4.....how can you compare conditioning for a race to conditioning for a fight its like comparing Usain Bolts preparation to Anthony Joshuas.........starting with a fit and healthy body is where the comparison ends ! I had a little dabble with greyhounds years ago but quite frankly it bored me and i have very little interest apart from a little flutter now and again...... for me nothing dog wise has ever come close to a performance bulldog i wasnt particularly good with a dog i couldnt connect all that well with them but i could put condition on a dog that few others could......ive seen some of the best conditioners around Europe and they all have their own ways of doing things and their own ideas but the one common thing everybody will agree on is the biggest mistake a conditioner can make is to condition the wrong dog......hence the correct testing/schooling of any dog is everything and without it you have nothing. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,833 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) I'd call a man willing to put his dog in that position not conditioned to perfection ignorant or maybe just plain daft . Thats because you havent got the foggiest idea what you are talking about !........you seem to know a little bit about greyhounds and thats great.....stick to talking about greyhounds and leave the bulldogs for people who know bulldogs Edited May 5, 2016 by gnasher16 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,833 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Nobody's talking about contests.Rolls are not contests they are they are used to put a young dog against dogs with different styles to see what a young dog has about it in the quickest way possible.Day for instance a dog is going to be rolled 4 or 5 times between the age of 1 and 2 yrs if the youngster is rolled in average condition well fed and walked a few times a week each roll might last 30 mins before the youngster gets tired and has to show it has a bit of heart . whereas if that youngster was conditioned to go 3hrs you wouldn't even be able to roll it 4 times in a year and even if you did it would probably have to be retired at the end of it. Couldnt agree more.............the test of the dog is the game test......the test of the man is the match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,833 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Max dont start screaming for my attention again just carry on chatting like you have been....or dont its up to you......just dont go into mental mode just because i posted something ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,685 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Only a complete idiot would compare the working life of a competition bulldog to a competition greyhound its not even similar it would be like comparing football to cricket just because both involve a ball !......a greyhound might have upwards of what 50 contests in its career a bulldog will be lucky to have 3 or 4.....how can you compare conditioning for a race to conditioning for a fight its like comparing Usain Bolts preparation to Anthony Joshuas.........starting with a fit and healthy body is where the comparison ends ! I had a little dabble with greyhounds years ago but quite frankly it bored me and i have very little interest apart from a little flutter now and again...... for me nothing dog wise has ever come close to a performance bulldog i wasnt particularly good with a dog i couldnt connect all that well with them but i could put condition on a dog that few others could......ive seen some of the best conditioners around Europe and they all have their own ways of doing things and their own ideas but the one common thing everybody will agree on is the biggest mistake a conditioner can make is to condition the wrong dog......hence the correct testing/schooling of any dog is everything and without it you have nothing. If a dog shows promising after a few rolls.What would be your method of conditioning. flirt pole. treadmill.timescale.diet.etc.and how would you increase the work load week by week. We don't see eye to eye but I'm asking as I'm interested in dogs gnasher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,407 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Personally I never liked all these set time tables and exercises, every keep is going to be different depending on the dogs strengths and weaknesses and the condition they're starting in. You have to go by feel as much as science, IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,833 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 No it's quite the opposite you just don't like folk you have a gripe against having any kind of say That's plain to see. Did you condition your animals with any kind of performance enhancing drugs? And remember that big Feller is all seeing and hearing lol So no fibs. Max if someone talks complete nonsense and is plainly wrong about something i know a little bit about then im going to point that out whether its you or anyone else....sorry and all that......." gripe " dont flatter yourself son i have gripes with real people not folk hiding on computers. Yes of course ive had dogs on the gear as virtually everyone else did......it doesnt suit all dogs but i guess averaged out over the years it was 50/50 shots and natural......why would i lie about it....Max you are aware that matching dogs is illegal arent you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,833 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) If a dog shows promising after a few rolls.What would be your method of conditioning. flirt pole. treadmill.timescale.diet.etc.and how would you increase the work load week by week. We don't see eye to eye but I'm asking as I'm interested in dogs gnasher. We dont ?......cant say as your name rings a bell but ive had shit thrown at me from all angles on here the names dont really register anymore.... but hey i apologise it was probably my fault anyway If a dog shows promise then game test it in everyday healthy condition........if it passes its test then have the courage of your conviction to back it,simple.......every conditioner alive sees things different but i always wanted 3 months inclusive of a 2 week pre keep.....some folk dont pre keep their dogs so 3 months would be too long for them.......beyond that every dog is different i believe you have to adjust a keep to suit a dogs personality some dogs are lazy by nature you cant condition a lazy dog the same as you would condition a hyped up nutcase.....but yes treadmill both free running and slow electric,swimming,plenty of massage,blood counts depending how serious you are......is all part of a keep....flirtpole only towards the end just to bring up their reactions.......anyone whos conditioned a bulldog will tell you its just too involved to do it justice in a few lines. Obviously this is all from a historical interest point of view as nobody breaks laws anymore. Edited May 5, 2016 by gnasher16 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I remember when Azium first came on the scene, some dog men thought it was the b all and end all of everything , some in fact thought they could lessen the amount of hours put into a dog as Azium would make up the difference. It s all about what's good for the individual dog....I dare say you give two litter mates the same dosage and one might go forwards and one backwards....seen it with my own eyes that performance enhancing drugs don't always work..BUT as Gnasher says ..on some they will...you pays your money and takes your chances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tallywacker 262 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Greyhounds under rules are tested regular same as other sports Them game dogs were not. fair do's Max you talk through your ar*e at times.!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tuzo 251 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Max, juice is for the keep not the match ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Tested for drugs Tallywakker. So Gnash can any man really take any credit for the condition of a dog on Roids ? And can any dogs record be worth the paper it's wrote on if on the gear for the keep period and or during its Competeing period or periods ? Do em clean no matter what your into and you know exactly what youv got. Use drugs and your not just kidding everyone else but most of all yourself . ??????????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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