jacknife 2,005 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Did he even ask her has she came forward He has been arrested for saying he asked a muslim about Brussels its pathetic also a bit scary that this faith seems to have so much protection now How many people say....I told them this or I gave them a piece of my mind it could just be all talk with. Him 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 3,031 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) he asked if she could explain brussells bombings, the thing is you woulnt ask a random german to explain the holacoust would you edited to add if you did ask a german that question you certainly would not get arrested for it,and he is being charged with inciting racial hatred when I thought it was about religion not race Edited March 25, 2016 by greg64 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,667 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 No, because at the moment I understand it........in fact I think I understand why IS is doing what it's doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,667 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I can't help but feel that if most of Europe had stayed true to their traditional Christian faith and principals instead of making money their God then we wouldn't be electing the type of people who have allowed things to get to this point ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) this is getting very silly, the west is under attack from Islamic extremists, who object to our way of life. simple question is, if they object so strongly why are they attacking us and not living peacefully in their own country?. you can harp on about political interference all you want, but Islam can not even live in peace with itself. all the various factions are at war with each other and have been since the beginning. you can not mix oil and water, they always separate as they are fundamentally different much the same as the Muslim culture and the west. the big difference is oil and water coexist when put together all be it separated, one does not try to change or wipe out the other. Paulus why do the West insist on trying to change the ways of the East? this has happened for over a thousand years. even now. lets see Egypt, Lybia, traq Syria ,Palastine,AfghanIstan,Pakistan and historically Iran. because the west objects to sovereign states self rule. The example you give of not mixing oil and water is decent enough and you point out that oil and water coexist but its just occured doesnt oil always rise to the top of water? All those country's you mention were different religions/cultures before islam conquered anyway... oil rising to the top you mean islam being uppermost like the Koran says yea ? regarding a point you made earlier I would argue muslims do worship mohammad as much if not more than allah because ... 1, It's says 91 times in the Koran to follow his perfect example of conduct (sunna). 2, 86% of the Islamic textual doctrine is about mohammad and only 14% allah. 3, When reciting the shahada , mohammad is his prophet. 4, muslims riot and kill over a picture of him. 5.Even if you were worshiping only allah he commands muslim to jihad ! and says "he has NO love for the unbelievers " ... You are again showing your total ignorance on the faith of islam Islam means total submission to Allah no one else The Qran starts with the creation of the world up to and including the day of judgement so you claim is totally false and fabricated as anyone who read the Qran will know.It is about mankind and how to live not Muhammad . Shahada or Kalma Tells there is "ONE ALLAH AND ONLY HE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP" and Muhammad is his last Prophet. There were 123,999 prophets before Muhammad.but then you would know that . Allah tells in the Qran to give non believers the opportunity to make peace but if they continue to attack you then fight Jihad, Jihad means war in the name of Allah. The Qran also firstly tells Muslims to fight jihad within themselves good against evil. No where in Islam or in the Qran does it tell Muslims to kill over Muhammad and there are no pictures of Muhammad as any one with half a brain would realise. All the countries that formed part of the British Empire and Commonwealth were also different cultures and religions before the British attacked and annexed them , which incidentely still happens today so you first argument is dead in the water to coin a phrase you really do clutch at straws Oil rising to the top of water is a scientific fact that was known before the advent of the Qran.. Edited March 25, 2016 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL Edited March 25, 2016 by desertbred 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL It was actually the Romans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL It was actually the Romans Pontius Pilot was a Roman no doubt but the architects of the charges As to jesus claiming to be the Son of God and Trial were the Jewish community who wereat the least antagonistic to Jesus and his followers. Pilot gave the people the opportunity to free Jesus but they chose to free a thief that is when Pilot symbolically called for water to wash his hands of the atrocity that he was taking part in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ragumup Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 this is getting very silly, the west is under attack from Islamic extremists, who object to our way of life. simple question is, if they object so strongly why are they attacking us and not living peacefully in their own country?. you can harp on about political interference all you want, but Islam can not even live in peace with itself. all the various factions are at war with each other and have been since the beginning. you can not mix oil and water, they always separate as they are fundamentally different much the same as the Muslim culture and the west. the big difference is oil and water coexist when put together all be it separated, one does not try to change or wipe out the other. Paulus why do the West insist on trying to change the ways of the East? this has happened for over a thousand years. even now. lets see Egypt, Lybia, traq Syria ,Palastine,AfghanIstan,Pakistan and historically Iran. because the west objects to sovereign states self rule. The example you give of not mixing oil and water is decent enough and you point out that oil and water coexist but its just occured doesnt oil always rise to the top of water? All those country's you mention were different religions/cultures before islam conquered anyway... oil rising to the top you mean islam being uppermost like the Koran says yea ? regarding a point you made earlier I would argue muslims do worship mohammad as much if not more than allah because ... 1, It's says 91 times in the Koran to follow his perfect example of conduct (sunna). 2, 86% of the Islamic textual doctrine is about mohammad and only 14% allah. 3, When reciting the shahada , mohammad is his prophet. 4, muslims riot and kill over a picture of him. 5.Even if you were worshiping only allah he commands muslim to jihad ! and says "he has NO love for the unbelievers " ... You are again showing your total ignorance on the faith of islam Islam means total submission to Allah no one else The Qran starts with the creation of the world up to and including the day of judgement so you claim is totally false and fabricated as anyone who read the Qran will know.It is about mankind and how to live not Muhammad . Shahada or Kalma Tells there is "ONE ALLAH AND ONLY HE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP" and Muhammad is his last Prophet. There were 123,999 prophets before Muhammad.but then you would know that . Allah tells in the Qran to give non believers the opportunity to make peace but if they continue to attack you then fight Jihad, Jihad means war in the name of Allah. The Qran also firstly tells Muslims to fight jihad within themselves good against evil. No where in Islam or in the Qran does it tell Muslims to kill over Muhammad and there are no pictures of Muhammad as any one with half a brain would realise. All the countries that formed part of the British Empire and Commonwealth were also different cultures and religions before the British attacked and annexed them , which incidentely still happens today so you first argument is dead in the water to coin a phrase you really do clutch at straws Oil rising to the top of water is a scientific fact that was known before the advent of the Qran.. Some of your words you've written is taqiyya nonsense. The Koran is mainly (apart from some copied writings from Bible/Judaism) the story of muhammad, pretending to be a prophet, going from powerlessness to ruling by lying, raping,killing and cheating. When he did have authority he subjugated everybody non Islamic... What is the sunnah then? You say: "Allah gives non-believers the opportunity to make peace"- this is only when muslims are in the minority or losing (Hudna). When they are in the majority, don't call for peace! "But if they continue to attack you then fight jihad"- that's a lie Koran verse please... There are 4 types of jihad including: sword (violence), money (law fare) speech and writing (which you are doing that right now) Not allowing muhammad pictures comes from Christianity not worshiping images, killing over picture comes from sunna as muhammad had people that criticised him killed. The British Empire wasn't great but far superior to the Islamic culture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
green lurchers 17,053 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 this is getting very silly, the west is under attack from Islamic extremists, who object to our way of life. simple question is, if they object so strongly why are they attacking us and not living peacefully in their own country?. you can harp on about political interference all you want, but Islam can not even live in peace with itself. all the various factions are at war with each other and have been since the beginning. you can not mix oil and water, they always separate as they are fundamentally different much the same as the Muslim culture and the west. the big difference is oil and water coexist when put together all be it separated, one does not try to change or wipe out the other.Paulus why do the West insist on trying to change the ways of the East? this has happened for over a thousand years. even now. lets see Egypt, Lybia, traq Syria ,Palastine,AfghanIstan,Pakistan and historically Iran. because the west objects to sovereign states self rule. The example you give of not mixing oil and water is decent enough and you point out that oil and water coexist but its just occured doesnt oil always rise to the top of water? All those country's you mention were different religions/cultures before islam conquered anyway... oil rising to the top you mean islam being uppermost like the Koran says yea ? regarding a point you made earlier I would argue muslims do worship mohammad as much if not more than allah because ... 1, It's says 91 times in the Koran to follow his perfect example of conduct (sunna). 2, 86% of the Islamic textual doctrine is about mohammad and only 14% allah. 3, When reciting the shahada , mohammad is his prophet. 4, muslims riot and kill over a picture of him. 5.Even if you were worshiping only allah he commands muslim to jihad ! and says "he has NO love for the unbelievers " ... You are again showing your total ignorance on the faith of islam Islam means total submission to Allah no one else The Qran starts with the creation of the world up to and including the day of judgement so you claim is totally false and fabricated as anyone who read the Qran will know.It is about mankind and how to live not Muhammad . Shahada or Kalma Tells there is "ONE ALLAH AND ONLY HE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP" and Muhammad is his last Prophet. There were 123,999 prophets before Muhammad.but then you would know that . Allah tells in the Qran to give non believers the opportunity to make peace but if they continue to attack you then fight Jihad, Jihad means war in the name of Allah. The Qran also firstly tells Muslims to fight jihad within themselves good against evil. No where in Islam or in the Qran does it tell Muslims to kill over Muhammad and there are no pictures of Muhammad as any one with half a brain would realise. All the countries that formed part of the British Empire and Commonwealth were also different cultures and religions before the British attacked and annexed them , which incidentely still happens today so you first argument is dead in the water to coin a phrase you really do clutch at straws Oil rising to the top of water is a scientific fact that was known before the advent of the Qran.. if you can cast a mind back pre America british wars youl find that some faith ? attacked then attacked countless times Europe etc are you forgetting who the aggressors are through history ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL It was actually the Romans Pontius Pilot was a Roman no doubt but the architects of the charges As to jesus claiming to be the Son of God and Trial were the Jewish community who wereat the least antagonistic to Jesus and his followers. Pilot gave the people the opportunity to free Jesus but they chose to free a thief that is when Pilot symbolically called for water to wash his hands of the atrocity that he was taking part in. Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL It was actually the Romans Pontius Pilot was a Roman no doubt but the architects of the charges As to jesus claiming to be the Son of God and Trial were the Jewish community who wereat the least antagonistic to Jesus and his followers. Pilot gave the people the opportunity to free Jesus but they chose to free a thief that is when Pilot symbolically called for water to wash his hands of the atrocity that he was taking part in. Thanks for your help but I don't need lessons in Christianity, whatever way you say it wasnt the Jews it was the Romans who crucified Jesus, the Jews just turned their backs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) this is getting very silly, the west is under attack from Islamic extremists, who object to our way of life. simple question is, if they object so strongly why are they attacking us and not living peacefully in their own country?. you can harp on about political interference all you want, but Islam can not even live in peace with itself. all the various factions are at war with each other and have been since the beginning. you can not mix oil and water, they always separate as they are fundamentally different much the same as the Muslim culture and the west. the big difference is oil and water coexist when put together all be it separated, one does not try to change or wipe out the other. Paulus why do the West insist on trying to change the ways of the East? this has happened for over a thousand years. even now. lets see Egypt, Lybia, traq Syria ,Palastine,AfghanIstan,Pakistan and historically Iran. because the west objects to sovereign states self rule. The example you give of not mixing oil and water is decent enough and you point out that oil and water coexist but its just occured doesnt oil always rise to the top of water? All those country's you mention were different religions/cultures before islam conquered anyway... oil rising to the top you mean islam being uppermost like the Koran says yea ? regarding a point you made earlier I would argue muslims do worship mohammad as much if not more than allah because ... 1, It's says 91 times in the Koran to follow his perfect example of conduct (sunna). 2, 86% of the Islamic textual doctrine is about mohammad and only 14% allah. 3, When reciting the shahada , mohammad is his prophet. 4, muslims riot and kill over a picture of him. 5.Even if you were worshiping only allah he commands muslim to jihad ! and says "he has NO love for the unbelievers " ... You are again showing your total ignorance on the faith of islam Islam means total submission to Allah no one else The Qran starts with the creation of the world up to and including the day of judgement so you claim is totally false and fabricated as anyone who read the Qran will know.It is about mankind and how to live not Muhammad . Shahada or Kalma Tells there is "ONE ALLAH AND ONLY HE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP" and Muhammad is his last Prophet. There were 123,999 prophets before Muhammad.but then you would know that . Allah tells in the Qran to give non believers the opportunity to make peace but if they continue to attack you then fight Jihad, Jihad means war in the name of Allah. The Qran also firstly tells Muslims to fight jihad within themselves good against evil. No where in Islam or in the Qran does it tell Muslims to kill over Muhammad and there are no pictures of Muhammad as any one with half a brain would realise. All the countries that formed part of the British Empire and Commonwealth were also different cultures and religions before the British attacked and annexed them , which incidentely still happens today so you first argument is dead in the water to coin a phrase you really do clutch at straws Oil rising to the top of water is a scientific fact that was known before the advent of the Qran.. Some of your words you've written is taqiyya nonsense. The Koran is mainly (apart from some copied writings from Bible/Judaism) the story of muhammad, pretending to be a prophet, going from powerlessness to ruling by lying, raping,killing and cheating. When he did have authority he subjugated everybody non Islamic... What is the sunnah then? You say: "Allah gives non-believers the opportunity to make peace"- this is only when muslims are in the minority or losing (Hudna). When they are in the majority, don't call for peace! "But if they continue to attack you then fight jihad"- that's a lie Koran verse please... There are 4 types of jihad including: sword (violence), money (law fare) speech and writing (which you are doing that right now) Not allowing muhammad pictures comes from Christianity not worshiping images, killing over picture comes from sunna as muhammad had people that criticised him killed. The British Empire wasn't great but far superior to the Islamic culture. The Sunnah is examles of how the Prophet lived his life according to the teachings of the Qran The example of Jihad from the Qran I can show191 . Al Baqarah. surah2 verses 190 to 193 190. And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)]. 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.) again you show your ignorance dont try to teach me my faith, your knowledge is zero , there is only one liar and that is you . Edited March 25, 2016 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL It was actually the Romans Pontius Pilot was a Roman no doubt but the architects of the charges As to jesus claiming to be the Son of God and Trial were the Jewish community who wereat the least antagonistic to Jesus and his followers. Pilot gave the people the opportunity to free Jesus but they chose to free a thief that is when Pilot symbolically called for water to wash his hands of the atrocity that he was taking part in. Ok let's rewind a second, now I understand well the sentiment of "why did he stop a woman".......and I agree with the fact that you don't do it in principal. However, yes he asked a woman but he also asked a Muslim. The reason we can't deal with this terrorist war is because these people can't be bought.....it's faith based. As I understand it for a Muslim faith comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd in their life......to the point that they will disown their own children, flag themselves with chains, murder countless people (a bit like many organised religions) Every Muslim seems to be another Muslims brother and so it would then be logical to ask any Muslim this question IMHO As long as he was polite about it then he has done nothing wrong. His opinion of the reply is his own and again, that can't be wrong because it's his. What don't really get reported is that IS are killing a lot of Muslims as well......and I mean a lot !! The real question is, why has this been allowed to get to this point by our governments and why do they seem to support it. The other question is, is the Ayatollahs rug shop open bank holiday Monday ? Lol lol OIVIE It was the jews who crucified Jesus not me so business as USUAL It was actually the Romans Pontius Pilot was a Roman no doubt but the architects of the charges As to jesus claiming to be the Son of God and Trial were the Jewish community who wereat the least antagonistic to Jesus and his followers. Pilot gave the people the opportunity to free Jesus but they chose to free a thief that is when Pilot symbolically called for water to wash his hands of the atrocity that he was taking part in. Thanks for your help but I don't need lessons in Christianity, whatever way you say it wasnt the Jews it was the Romans who crucified Jesus, the Jews just turned their backs. you claim to know "your Religion " now prove me wrong I am always willing to learn thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 3,031 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 this is getting very silly, the west is under attack from Islamic extremists, who object to our way of life. simple question is, if they object so strongly why are they attacking us and not living peacefully in their own country?. you can harp on about political interference all you want, but Islam can not even live in peace with itself. all the various factions are at war with each other and have been since the beginning. you can not mix oil and water, they always separate as they are fundamentally different much the same as the Muslim culture and the west. the big difference is oil and water coexist when put together all be it separated, one does not try to change or wipe out the other. Paulus why do the West insist on trying to change the ways of the East? this has happened for over a thousand years. even now. lets see Egypt, Lybia, traq Syria ,Palastine,AfghanIstan,Pakistan and historically Iran. because the west objects to sovereign states self rule. The example you give of not mixing oil and water is decent enough and you point out that oil and water coexist but its just occured doesnt oil always rise to the top of water? All those country's you mention were different religions/cultures before islam conquered anyway... oil rising to the top you mean islam being uppermost like the Koran says yea ? regarding a point you made earlier I would argue muslims do worship mohammad as much if not more than allah because ... 1, It's says 91 times in the Koran to follow his perfect example of conduct (sunna). 2, 86% of the Islamic textual doctrine is about mohammad and only 14% allah. 3, When reciting the shahada , mohammad is his prophet. 4, muslims riot and kill over a picture of him. 5.Even if you were worshiping only allah he commands muslim to jihad ! and says "he has NO love for the unbelievers " ... You are again showing your total ignorance on the faith of islam Islam means total submission to Allah no one else The Qran starts with the creation of the world up to and including the day of judgement so you claim is totally false and fabricated as anyone who read the Qran will know.It is about mankind and how to live not Muhammad . Shahada or Kalma Tells there is "ONE ALLAH AND ONLY HE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP" and Muhammad is his last Prophet. There were 123,999 prophets before Muhammad.but then you would know that . Allah tells in the Qran to give non believers the opportunity to make peace but if they continue to attack you then fight Jihad, Jihad means war in the name of Allah. The Qran also firstly tells Muslims to fight jihad within themselves good against evil. No where in Islam or in the Qran does it tell Muslims to kill over Muhammad and there are no pictures of Muhammad as any one with half a brain would realise. All the countries that formed part of the British Empire and Commonwealth were also different cultures and religions before the British attacked and annexed them , which incidentely still happens today so you first argument is dead in the water to coin a phrase you really do clutch at straws Oil rising to the top of water is a scientific fact that was known before the advent of the Qran.. Some of your words you've written is taqiyya nonsense. The Koran is mainly (apart from some copied writings from Bible/Judaism) the story of muhammad, pretending to be a prophet, going from powerlessness to ruling by lying, raping,killing and cheating. When he did have authority he subjugated everybody non Islamic... What is the sunnah then? You say: "Allah gives non-believers the opportunity to make peace"- this is only when muslims are in the minority or losing (Hudna). When they are in the majority, don't call for peace! "But if they continue to attack you then fight jihad"- that's a lie Koran verse please... There are 4 types of jihad including: sword (violence), money (law fare) speech and writing (which you are doing that right now) Not allowing muhammad pictures comes from Christianity not worshiping images, killing over picture comes from sunna as muhammad had people that criticised him killed. The British Empire wasn't great but far superior to the Islamic culture. The Sunnah is examles of how the Prophet lived his life according to the teachings of the Qran The example of Jihad from the Qran I can show191 . Al Baqarah. surah2 verses 190 to 193 190. And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)]. 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.) again you show your ignorance dont try to teach me my faith, your knowledge is zero , there is only one liar and that is you . the koran and the bible what a load of old bollocks and people are dying over such drivel amazes me in 2016 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,600 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 this is getting very silly, the west is under attack from Islamic extremists, who object to our way of life. simple question is, if they object so strongly why are they attacking us and not living peacefully in their own country?. you can harp on about political interference all you want, but Islam can not even live in peace with itself. all the various factions are at war with each other and have been since the beginning. you can not mix oil and water, they always separate as they are fundamentally different much the same as the Muslim culture and the west. the big difference is oil and water coexist when put together all be it separated, one does not try to change or wipe out the other. Paulus why do the West insist on trying to change the ways of the East? this has happened for over a thousand years. even now. lets see Egypt, Lybia, traq Syria ,Palastine,AfghanIstan,Pakistan and historically Iran. because the west objects to sovereign states self rule. The example you give of not mixing oil and water is decent enough and you point out that oil and water coexist but its just occured doesnt oil always rise to the top of water? All those country's you mention were different religions/cultures before islam conquered anyway... oil rising to the top you mean islam being uppermost like the Koran says yea ?regarding a point you made earlier I would argue muslims do worship mohammad as much if not more than allah because ... 1, It's says 91 times in the Koran to follow his perfect example of conduct (sunna). 2, 86% of the Islamic textual doctrine is about mohammad and only 14% allah. 3, When reciting the shahada , mohammad is his prophet. 4, muslims riot and kill over a picture of him. 5.Even if you were worshiping only allah he commands muslim to jihad ! and says "he has NO love for the unbelievers " ... You are again showing your total ignorance on the faith of islamIslam means total submission to Allah no one else The Qran starts with the creation of the world up to and including the day of judgement so you claim is totally false and fabricated as anyone who read the Qran will know.It is about mankind and how to live not Muhammad . Shahada or Kalma Tells there is "ONE ALLAH AND ONLY HE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP" and Muhammad is his last Prophet. There were 123,999 prophets before Muhammad.but then you would know that . Allah tells in the Qran to give non believers the opportunity to make peace but if they continue to attack you then fight Jihad, Jihad means war in the name of Allah. The Qran also firstly tells Muslims to fight jihad within themselves good against evil. No where in Islam or in the Qran does it tell Muslims to kill over Muhammad and there are no pictures of Muhammad as any one with half a brain would realise. All the countries that formed part of the British Empire and Commonwealth were also different cultures and religions before the British attacked and annexed them , which incidentely still happens today so you first argument is dead in the water to coin a phrase you really do clutch at straws Oil rising to the top of water is a scientific fact that was known before the advent of the Qran.. Some of your words you've written is taqiyya nonsense. The Koran is mainly (apart from some copied writings from Bible/Judaism) the story of muhammad, pretending to be a prophet, going from powerlessness to ruling by lying, raping,killing and cheating. When he did have authority he subjugated everybody non Islamic... What is the sunnah then? You say: "Allah gives non-believers the opportunity to make peace"- this is only when muslims are in the minority or losing (Hudna). When they are in the majority, don't call for peace! "But if they continue to attack you then fight jihad"- that's a lie Koran verse please... There are 4 types of jihad including: sword (violence), money (law fare) speech and writing (which you are doing that right now) Not allowing muhammad pictures comes from Christianity not worshiping images, killing over picture comes from sunna as muhammad had people that criticised him killed. The British Empire wasn't great but far superior to the Islamic culture. The Sunnah is examles of how the Prophet lived his life according to the teachings of the Qran The example of Jihad from the Qran I can show191 . Al Baqarah. surah2 verses 190 to 193 190. And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)]. 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.) again you show your ignorance dont try to teach me my faith, your knowledge is zero , there is only one liar and that is you . the koran and the bible what a load of old bollocks and people are dying over such drivel amazes me in 2016I read them both and never did find out what happens to Dumbledore 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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