waltjnr 5,972 Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Greb147 said: Top breed pal although after reading all the Stratton books whilst a youngster he gave off the impression that they were indestructible machines immune to the laws of physics with silly tales of 30lb dogs killing 150lb Tosa's, Wolverines, Bears etc.. The same is done with all breeds I suppose, now it's tales of Dogo's killing male Cougars and coming away with barely any marks on them. Well how about stop living your fantasies through an animal ,and get out there and do something remarkable yourself?? Your obsession with apbt's is an obvious weakness in your self ,i genuinely think broadmoor will be your next home ,sorry to disturb you on your treadmill in the shed ,I hope you haven't spat your break stick out ! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, waltjnr said: Well how about stop living your fantasies through an animal ,and get out there and do something remarkable yourself?? Your obsession with apbt's is an obvious weakness in your self ,i genuinely think broadmoor will be your next home ,sorry to disturb you on your treadmill in the shed ,I hope you haven't spat your break stick out ! Don't worry about me Walt I'm doing just fine. Edited June 30, 2020 by Greb147 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,391 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 9 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: It’s a running dog ....... That's my point Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Greb147 6,808 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, jetro said: https://m.(!64.56:886/story.php?story_fbid=1555319284581253&id=422790027834190&d=null&vh=e Karma at it's best. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetro 5,349 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, Greb147 said: Karma at it's best. There is some idiots out there Atb j 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, jetro said: There is some idiots out there Atb j With luck the dog didn't wear out it's teeth too much. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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jetro 5,349 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 Is there many this side of the pond(where legal) that keep the smaller game types, 19 to 21tts 40lbish max Atb j Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetro 5,349 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 For you Old Family Red Nose historians, here is the keystone of the strain. This litter included Gold Dust, Centipede, Pinkie, and Banjo--all big multi-winners in the mid thirties. This pedigree was sent by L. C. Owens to Harry Clark for corrections and comments. That was quite historic, as Owens and Clark were two of the best breeders of all time. One of the things that made the OFRN strain great was the number and caliber of people that were keeping and breeding this immortal line of dogs. Bob Hemphill thought Gold Dust was actually better than Centipede--which is really saying something--but Centipede got bred more. One reason for that was that Gene Ferguson was a musician in a big-time band, and he traveled a lot. So whoever had Centipede had carte blanche permission to breed to him. Red Howell somehow ended up with him, and he always said he was the smartest dog that he had ever seen. We can't really know that Gold Dust was better, but Hemphill had a pretty good eye. The main thing I wanted you to see was the historic pedigree, but I've included Bagman, a modern representative, Centipede, Cyclone, not showing the red nose, but a son of Wallaces Bad Red out of a daughter of Wallace's Talking Boy, and last is Chamulco from a few years ago. I never saw him (or Bagman), but their reputations are unassailable. As a postscript, Ferguson died a hero's death in the second World War. Bob Hemphill and Bob O'Neal served together, and Bob Hemphill always praised his partner O'Neal for saving his life during that conflict, but I never got the details of how that happened. I also apologize for not having a picture of Gold Dust, let alone Pinkie and Banjo. Richard Stratton Atb j 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 hours ago, jetro said: For you Old Family Red Nose historians, here is the keystone of the strain. This litter included Gold Dust, Centipede, Pinkie, and Banjo--all big multi-winners in the mid thirties. This pedigree was sent by L. C. Owens to Harry Clark for corrections and comments. That was quite historic, as Owens and Clark were two of the best breeders of all time. One of the things that made the OFRN strain great was the number and caliber of people that were keeping and breeding this immortal line of dogs. Bob Hemphill thought Gold Dust was actually better than Centipede--which is really saying something--but Centipede got bred more. One reason for that was that Gene Ferguson was a musician in a big-time band, and he traveled a lot. So whoever had Centipede had carte blanche permission to breed to him. Red Howell somehow ended up with him, and he always said he was the smartest dog that he had ever seen. We can't really know that Gold Dust was better, but Hemphill had a pretty good eye. The main thing I wanted you to see was the historic pedigree, but I've included Bagman, a modern representative, Centipede, Cyclone, not showing the red nose, but a son of Wallaces Bad Red out of a daughter of Wallace's Talking Boy, and last is Chamulco from a few years ago. I never saw him (or Bagman), but their reputations are unassailable. As a postscript, Ferguson died a hero's death in the second World War. Bob Hemphill and Bob O'Neal served together, and Bob Hemphill always praised his partner O'Neal for saving his life during that conflict, but I never got the details of how that happened. I also apologize for not having a picture of Gold Dust, let alone Pinkie and Banjo. Richard Stratton Atb j I wonder what where the red-nosed dogs got that stamp from? French Mastiff of old, hound? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetro 5,349 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Greb147 said: I wonder what where the red-nosed dogs got that stamp from? French Mastiff of old, hound? Could be a mix of anything, don't think we'll ever know to be honest Atb j Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jetro said: Could be a mix of anything, don't think we'll ever know to be honest Atb j The true history of the dogs will never be known. The breed just didn't fall from the sky, it likely took centuries of experimental breedings using different breeds and countless generations of selective breeding. The fascinating trait of these dogs is gameness, surely this characteristic can be traced back to the wolf? You can't add something that nature didn't create. Edited July 3, 2020 by Greb147 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 42,890 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Didn't white fang the wolf get done by a Pit bull? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: Didn't white fang the wolf get done by a Pit bull? Yep, locked on to his neck and choked out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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