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[Guest vin]

 

 

Vin,,,which hob spewed?

 

That big albino that took a beating on one of his 1st trips out. . .he had plenty of opportunity but failed.

Yeh ,,,forgot about him.....lol,,,,

 

Kept him for a few month after ,,,and we tried him many times,,,it's not ofton you get a ferret that just isn't interested in chasing ,,killing rabbits,,,,that fecker just didn't want to know....

 

Funniest thing also was...If you had to pick one out of the whole 8 in a run..he would have been the 1st choice to look at ,he was a fine looking specimen and I would have bet money on him being a grafter after observing him in the run being the cock of the pack etc etc.. but yes he was quite a disappointment

 

Now he was what I would refer to as a Jacker..

[TOMO 24,879]

Very true he was my faveroout kit,,,,just shows it's not all about looks when it comes to graft,,,,,look as us two,,,you got those young boy band looks,,,,but work wise ,,,,your like a disabled granny,,,,,

 

Then look at me,,,a face like a bulldog liking piss of a thistle,,,,but when it comes to graft I have to do it all,,,

[Guest vin]

So back to the Tips...

 

Your on a warren and the ferrets balled up with a bunny under a massive tree root or lets say a concrete structure like a road or building maybe...Its not possible to dig it out... You can't block up the holes and leave a trap... You cannot have a kip/make a cuppa and have a picnic ... You have no time to play the waiting game etc .. Basically you need/want to move on as quickly as possible.

 

 

What do you do. . .?

 

What are your options . .?

[Chicken_man 1,651]

Entice it out with an opened bunny. Simples :-)

[Chicken_man 1,651]

And make sure it can't drag it back down

Atb

[Chicken_man 1,651]

That would be a better option maybe Katchum :-)

Atb

[Guest vin]

 

So back to the Tips...

 

Your on a warren and the ferrets balled up with a bunny under a massive tree root or lets say a concrete structure like a road or building maybe...Its not possible to dig it out... You can't block up the holes and leave a trap... You cannot have a kip/make a cuppa and have a picnic ... You have no time to play the waiting game etc .. Basically you need/want to move on as quickly as possible.

 

 

What do you do. . .?

 

What are your options . .?

either use a ferret that wont stay long, or dont enter a ferret.if you cant dig or wait, simples

 

 

too late you didn't realize the warren was so massive and ran under the road or the massive protected Oak tree 30 yards away up the banking...heheheeee.

 

Your up the creak and your best worker is stuck at it... It happens.

 

You have to try something surely ?

[dogmad riley 1,337]

Entice it out with an opened bunny. Simples :-)

What if it is the 1st set of the day and you have no bunnys to open???

[Chicken_man 1,651]

 

Entice it out with an opened bunny. Simples :-)

What if it is the 1st set of the day and you have no bunnys to open???

Bugger :-) lol

[comanche 2,799]

You stink it out a few days before and do the surrounding burrows.

[Guest Navek]

Never eat yellow snow

[The one 8,397]

If you can dig down as close as you can then angle the dig inwards or we just leave the youngest ferreted there till close of play them you really need to do some hard thinking

[Leeview 787]

Seeing as the title of this thread was top tips....here's the best one I've ever learned... JUST BECAUSE THERE OLDER..IT DON'T MEAN THERE WISER.

 

So here goes in reply to one of our older and supposedly wiser members.

 

 

 

 

Have you ever had to or wanted to get your ferret out of a warren without digging it out ? If so in your infinite wisdom..how is this achieved when its scratching away at a bunnys ass ? Plus how many times have you had the ferret balled up with a bunny in more than one place in a warren ? you think its 1 rabbit moving and it 2 or 3 seperate bunnys all stuck up tubes..the ferret comes away from one to another and the one he was on previously then has chance to bolt,which it often does..

 

Trying to compare a terrier battling below ground face to face with a Fox and a Lurcher in hot pursuit of a course is stupid...really isnt it ? Because that's at the height of its adrenalin flow...now if you compared the ferret coming off a rabbits throat in the middle of a death roll I would be thinking you had a point because it would be jacking from its objective. . yes they will stay scratching away at a balled up bunnies arse until they are dug too obviously ...but what if you cannot dig them ?

 

Don't forget I've seen you work old chap. . Stick to making the wheels pal..cause that's the most work your team gets...

 

My line's a lot better than your netting lines...so don't even go there.

 

No I've never been in a rush to get a ferret out of a warren I have all the time in the world to let the ferrets get on with their job,thats how it was done late 50's no locators just a liner to rely on and patience.Here again how can you tell the ferret is moving between 2 or 3 rabbits underground surely it should be sticking with 1 rabbit till its dug or killed and move on IMHO.

A terrier is entered to find and bolt the fox or hold it until dug hows that different to what you expect a ferret to do? Dont ferrets have adrenalin?

I had nt forgot I'd seen you work remember it well slow start and a wood was strimmed(me I'd of gone back at least after a couple of days)your mate dug down and got a 4wk old squeaker killed by the ferret in one hand and the ferret in the other he then asks "what shall I do now?" you said "put it back down there might be more" he put the squeaker back down

The following week you brought a 12 week old hob kit to try out, that was bred from a polecat hob that you'd found in a drop trap along with several dead rabbits.

then I got pm's from you asking if I could help you get permission in the dales as you wanted some of your own

Im still turning the wheels out on a weekly basis are you still singing?

Whats a netting line?

Your lines?you used to keep jills, then hobs were the way to go,you put the miles in last year picking kits up how did they turn out all world beaters?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

I will give the the reply it seems to deserve..

 

1..No I've never been in a rush to get a ferret out of a warren I have all the time in the world to let the ferrets get on with their job,thats how it was done late 50's no locators just a liner to rely on and patience.Here again how can you tell the ferret is moving between 2 or 3 rabbits underground surely it should be sticking with 1 rabbit till its dug or killed and move on IMHO.

 

A liner to rely on and patience.. Don't talk shit man..So you have had locators available to you when you started ferreting

I can tell the ferret is moving because I know how to use my locator to see what is going on below ground obviously..and sometimes there is more than one rabbit refusing to be evicted,,, How many times have you dug multiple holes on a warren and pulled rabbits from every dig.. . and I don't mean multiple holes while the little jill is being dragged all over with 1 rabbit.A locator lets you know where your ferret is in a warren NOT what its doing

 

2..A terrier is entered to find and bolt the fox or hold it until dug hows that different to what you expect a ferret to do? Don't ferrets have adrenalin?

 

Its basically the same principle as you well know old man... But If anyone is really honest they would rather the rabbit bolted than face the ferret...whereas with terrier men they would rather the fox was dug if they are honest... Obviously a ferret should stay with a bunny until it is dug or dead,That is obvious and why you have to make such a point about it being a Jacker if it moves from its post for a moment IF the ferret moves from the rabbit its trying to bolt its not committed to the job whether its give up through boredom or to look where that smell is coming from is basically stupid and petty and non productive to anyone learning anything.

As for Adrenalin...Don't talk shite again.Adrenalin is produced giving prey drive to an animal hunting so it should nt matter whether its scratching at a bunny's arse or attached to its throat .. Scratching at a 2 inch tuft of bunny arse and soil VS being locked onto the throat or crushing the top/back of the skull whilst locked on to bunny.... which would be more exciting to a ferret ?

 

3.

I had nt forgot I'd seen you work remember it well slow start and a wood was strimmed(me I'd of gone back at least after a couple of days)your mate dug down and got a 4wk old squeaker killed by the ferret in one hand and the ferret in the other he then asks "what shall I do now?" you said "put it back down there might be more" he put the squeaker back down

The following week you brought a 12 week old hob kit to try out, that was bred from a polecat hob that you'd found in a drop trap along with several dead rabbits.

 

That young lad was a kid 19-20yr old certainly not a school kid who was there to learn the ropes and do some manual labour because it was a paid pest control job wasn't it ? He learned not to put the baby rabbit back down on day 1 with lots of laughter from all the others stood watchingthese people were security guards who accompanied us everywhere (note watching ), Yes he was a rough diamond,but he learned a few things... funnily enough even though he,s only a kid,...your trying to make him/me look daft or inexperienced maybe ?NOT at all you managed to do that yourselves and Im telling the truth He had your card marked before the 2nd day was done.. 3 weeks is a long time isn't it. It is exactly 1 week longer than the contract was

 

So while we're on the subject... what about the Young Jill kit I brought out with me one of the days...? It was a very big jill kit...bigger than any of my hobs.. it went down and came out and if I remember it probably bolted rabbits Not the way I recall no rabbits bolted and you had trouble getting hold of it.but put it down to its age 12 weeks is not old enough to enter no matter how big it was.. Its mother certainly did, everyday of the 3weeks,she was dug to plenty and also caught rabbits on top in cover because she was a dam good jill..What about the Box trap Hob ? I had one litter and then had him vasectomised and kept him till he died last year... he was a beast of a ferret. . Jill was lost in an accident . 2 years ago..The jill kit is still working,but with a keeper I gave her to as a favor..( and to secure more permissions ) so the point is ?

 

Then you get PMs of me asking to help me get permissions of which you have lots and lots because you know everything and everyone who is worth knowing? Yes I did ask you to help me get a foot into my own permissions up North ? Did you ? I'm sure everyone could guess the answer to that. Yes would of been the answer BUT I would nt be giving out introductions or locations.How much did you pay to that syndicate to get permission? and how many rabbits?

I got some eventually ..then some more...then lots more. . I now have more than enough Local,North and South,

 

4.. Your lines?you used to keep jills, then hobs were the way to go,you put the miles in last year picking kits up how did they turn out all world beaters?

 

I don't have a line of ferrets...I'm not old enough.BUT earlier you said your lines were better than mine. I did used to keep all jills and a Vasectomized Hob because it was easier to keep them all together and i did have some very good jills..But I lost the best 2 jills whilst working them and never found good enough replacements for them, over 2 seasons i tried many and none were good enough.. That is until an old mate gave me one of his hob kits 2 seasons ago.. I was a convert after the 1st day.

So last year i did put some miles in and went out of my way to get some new blood from some old lines and one very old line in particular... Funnily enough they did all turn out OK except for 1 pair out of 4 pairs... Tomo's hob took a kicking from a big buck and spewed and its sister was Ok for a jill but not as big as I would have liked.. the rest are doing very very well. My hobs kits both were killing on their 1st trips out and have got it down to a fine art by the end of this 1st season just gone... I wouldn't say there world beaters...but they know what there job is and they love it long time..They don't leave a warren until its empty and they don't get dragged around and they kill very quickly... MY other hob is a very good lad and he simply get the job done..full stop.

 

 

5.. Whats a netting line?

 

I was being condescending and a twat referring to your Nets... You know the ones that the rabbits kept escaping through! 1 rabbit escaped when 2 hit the net at the same time pulling the net down(the nets had to propped over the security gates could nt be draped for security reasons) ? the one with the foooking holes in them Yes one of my 25yds stopnets had a hole in one end but as the gates were no where near 25yds that did nt affect it...the ones you had made. . The ones your were invariably stood holding over a gateway whilst everyone else was actually doing some graft and sweating there sacks off. thats right 4 people +security on a warren was to many and I was told to net and watch the gates(these gates were locked at least 12ft high and you needed 2 security staff to open them) where the rabbits were running under.SO WHERE WERE THESE RABBITS COMING FROM?. Every morning your sat there knitting away making nets Always punctual and there before you...But failed to repair the holes in the ones your using for the job in hand unfortunately could nt get any more of that material. . . Your stood mocking the young lad who's grafting with his hands and digging like a navvy I remember that you'd gone off leaving me with him he must of dug 5 times and came out and said "I did nt know it was a spectator sport" I'd chinned 3 rabbits that had bolted while he was still digging

,Whilst your stood there talking bollox about some Lord/Lady/Colonel /Sgt Major there was only me there so just who was I talking to?and speaking on a warren is a no no unless vital up his own arse bullshit to anyone in the near vicinity who will listen... You never offered to dig ? you avoided anything that involved graft at every opportunity... You have the cheek to have a go because I brought a young kit out for the day.. It was accompanied by two of my workers at the time... whereas you didn't bring a ferret or a dog on any day during the 3 weeks did you ?Oh I did but was told you could manage with what you had between you so never brought them again was nt going to keep them cooped up in June without a good reason my bitch was in season and three dogs would not be ideal Who did the paid follow up jobs ,clearing the last few after we had finished the main contract ?

 

I stand by what I said originally... You might be twice my age ...but you don't know it all and certainly are not in a position to think you can talk down to me as if your the final word in whats what.

In the real world,By the time you had finished talking about what your going to do and then implementing it on any given rabbit removal job...I would be digging the last rabbit out and having my dinner, before you start. ..the end result would not be the same either because you probably keep ferrets that really are Jackers.. ?

 

PS... The singing pays a lot better than wooden wheels old chap..Plus it has many other advantages.

[pie-eater 377]

both sound like a pair a fcuking amateurs, I'm available for ferreting lessons if yous are interested lol

Can you sort them out some decent ferrets as well? sounds like they both work jackers lol

[Guest vin]

 

Seeing as the title of this thread was top tips....here's the best one I've ever learned... JUST BECAUSE THERE OLDER..IT DON'T MEAN THERE WISER.

 

So here goes in reply to one of our older and supposedly wiser members.

 

 

 

 

Have you ever had to or wanted to get your ferret out of a warren without digging it out ? If so in your infinite wisdom..how is this achieved when its scratching away at a bunnys ass ? Plus how many times have you had the ferret balled up with a bunny in more than one place in a warren ? you think its 1 rabbit moving and it 2 or 3 seperate bunnys all stuck up tubes..the ferret comes away from one to another and the one he was on previously then has chance to bolt,which it often does..

 

Trying to compare a terrier battling below ground face to face with a Fox and a Lurcher in hot pursuit of a course is stupid...really isnt it ? Because that's at the height of its adrenalin flow...now if you compared the ferret coming off a rabbits throat in the middle of a death roll I would be thinking you had a point because it would be jacking from its objective. . yes they will stay scratching away at a balled up bunnies arse until they are dug too obviously ...but what if you cannot dig them ?

 

Don't forget I've seen you work old chap. . Stick to making the wheels pal..cause that's the most work your team gets...

 

My line's a lot better than your netting lines...so don't even go there.

 

No I've never been in a rush to get a ferret out of a warren I have all the time in the world to let the ferrets get on with their job,thats how it was done late 50's no locators just a liner to rely on and patience.Here again how can you tell the ferret is moving between 2 or 3 rabbits underground surely it should be sticking with 1 rabbit till its dug or killed and move on IMHO.

A terrier is entered to find and bolt the fox or hold it until dug hows that different to what you expect a ferret to do? Dont ferrets have adrenalin?

I had nt forgot I'd seen you work remember it well slow start and a wood was strimmed(me I'd of gone back at least after a couple of days)your mate dug down and got a 4wk old squeaker killed by the ferret in one hand and the ferret in the other he then asks "what shall I do now?" you said "put it back down there might be more" he put the squeaker back down

The following week you brought a 12 week old hob kit to try out, that was bred from a polecat hob that you'd found in a drop trap along with several dead rabbits.

then I got pm's from you asking if I could help you get permission in the dales as you wanted some of your own

Im still turning the wheels out on a weekly basis are you still singing?

Whats a netting line?

Your lines?you used to keep jills, then hobs were the way to go,you put the miles in last year picking kits up how did they turn out all world beaters?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

I will give the the reply it seems to deserve..

 

1..No I've never been in a rush to get a ferret out of a warren I have all the time in the world to let the ferrets get on with their job,thats how it was done late 50's no locators just a liner to rely on and patience.Here again how can you tell the ferret is moving between 2 or 3 rabbits underground surely it should be sticking with 1 rabbit till its dug or killed and move on IMHO.

 

A liner to rely on and patience.. Don't talk shit man..So you have had locators available to you when you started ferreting

I can tell the ferret is moving because I know how to use my locator to see what is going on below ground obviously..and sometimes there is more than one rabbit refusing to be evicted,,, How many times have you dug multiple holes on a warren and pulled rabbits from every dig.. . and I don't mean multiple holes while the little jill is being dragged all over with 1 rabbit.A locator lets you know where your ferret is in a warren NOT what its doing

 

2..A terrier is entered to find and bolt the fox or hold it until dug hows that different to what you expect a ferret to do? Don't ferrets have adrenalin?

 

Its basically the same principle as you well know old man... But If anyone is really honest they would rather the rabbit bolted than face the ferret...whereas with terrier men they would rather the fox was dug if they are honest... Obviously a ferret should stay with a bunny until it is dug or dead,That is obvious and why you have to make such a point about it being a Jacker if it moves from its post for a moment IF the ferret moves from the rabbit its trying to bolt its not committed to the job whether its give up through boredom or to look where that smell is coming from is basically stupid and petty and non productive to anyone learning anything.

As for Adrenalin...Don't talk shite again.Adrenalin is produced giving prey drive to an animal hunting so it should nt matter whether its scratching at a bunny's arse or attached to its throat .. Scratching at a 2 inch tuft of bunny arse and soil VS being locked onto the throat or crushing the top/back of the skull whilst locked on to bunny.... which would be more exciting to a ferret ?

 

3.

I had nt forgot I'd seen you work remember it well slow start and a wood was strimmed(me I'd of gone back at least after a couple of days)your mate dug down and got a 4wk old squeaker killed by the ferret in one hand and the ferret in the other he then asks "what shall I do now?" you said "put it back down there might be more" he put the squeaker back down

The following week you brought a 12 week old hob kit to try out, that was bred from a polecat hob that you'd found in a drop trap along with several dead rabbits.

 

That young lad was a kid 19-20yr old certainly not a school kid who was there to learn the ropes and do some manual labour because it was a paid pest control job wasn't it ? He learned not to put the baby rabbit back down on day 1 with lots of laughter from all the others stood watchingthese people were security guards who accompanied us everywhere (note watching ), Yes he was a rough diamond,but he learned a few things... funnily enough even though he,s only a kid,...your trying to make him/me look daft or inexperienced maybe ?NOT at all you managed to do that yourselves and Im telling the truth He had your card marked before the 2nd day was done.. 3 weeks is a long time isn't it. It is exactly 1 week longer than the contract was

 

So while we're on the subject... what about the Young Jill kit I brought out with me one of the days...? It was a very big jill kit...bigger than any of my hobs.. it went down and came out and if I remember it probably bolted rabbits Not the way I recall no rabbits bolted and you had trouble getting hold of it.but put it down to its age 12 weeks is not old enough to enter no matter how big it was.. Its mother certainly did, everyday of the 3weeks,she was dug to plenty and also caught rabbits on top in cover because she was a dam good jill..What about the Box trap Hob ? I had one litter and then had him vasectomised and kept him till he died last year... he was a beast of a ferret. . Jill was lost in an accident . 2 years ago..The jill kit is still working,but with a keeper I gave her to as a favor..( and to secure more permissions ) so the point is ?

 

Then you get PMs of me asking to help me get permissions of which you have lots and lots because you know everything and everyone who is worth knowing? Yes I did ask you to help me get a foot into my own permissions up North ? Did you ? I'm sure everyone could guess the answer to that. Yes would of been the answer BUT I would nt be giving out introductions or locations.How much did you pay to that syndicate to get permission? and how many rabbits?

I got some eventually ..then some more...then lots more. . I now have more than enough Local,North and South,

 

4.. Your lines?you used to keep jills, then hobs were the way to go,you put the miles in last year picking kits up how did they turn out all world beaters?

 

I don't have a line of ferrets...I'm not old enough.BUT earlier you said your lines were better than mine. I did used to keep all jills and a Vasectomized Hob because it was easier to keep them all together and i did have some very good jills..But I lost the best 2 jills whilst working them and never found good enough replacements for them, over 2 seasons i tried many and none were good enough.. That is until an old mate gave me one of his hob kits 2 seasons ago.. I was a convert after the 1st day.

So last year i did put some miles in and went out of my way to get some new blood from some old lines and one very old line in particular... Funnily enough they did all turn out OK except for 1 pair out of 4 pairs... Tomo's hob took a kicking from a big buck and spewed and its sister was Ok for a jill but not as big as I would have liked.. the rest are doing very very well. My hobs kits both were killing on their 1st trips out and have got it down to a fine art by the end of this 1st season just gone... I wouldn't say there world beaters...but they know what there job is and they love it long time..They don't leave a warren until its empty and they don't get dragged around and they kill very quickly... MY other hob is a very good lad and he simply get the job done..full stop.

 

 

5.. Whats a netting line?

 

I was being condescending and a twat referring to your Nets... You know the ones that the rabbits kept escaping through! 1 rabbit escaped when 2 hit the net at the same time pulling the net down(the nets had to propped over the security gates could nt be draped for security reasons) ? the one with the foooking holes in them Yes one of my 25yds stopnets had a hole in one end but as the gates were no where near 25yds that did nt affect it...the ones you had made. . The ones your were invariably stood holding over a gateway whilst everyone else was actually doing some graft and sweating there sacks off. thats right 4 people +security on a warren was to many and I was told to net and watch the gates(these gates were locked at least 12ft high and you needed 2 security staff to open them) where the rabbits were running under.SO WHERE WERE THESE RABBITS COMING FROM?. Every morning your sat there knitting away making nets Always punctual and there before you...But failed to repair the holes in the ones your using for the job in hand unfortunately could nt get any more of that material. . . Your stood mocking the young lad who's grafting with his hands and digging like a navvy I remember that you'd gone off leaving me with him he must of dug 5 times and came out and said "I did nt know it was a spectator sport" I'd chinned 3 rabbits that had bolted while he was still digging

,Whilst your stood there talking bollox about some Lord/Lady/Colonel /Sgt Major there was only me there so just who was I talking to?and speaking on a warren is a no no unless vital up his own arse bullshit to anyone in the near vicinity who will listen... You never offered to dig ? you avoided anything that involved graft at every opportunity... You have the cheek to have a go because I brought a young kit out for the day.. It was accompanied by two of my workers at the time... whereas you didn't bring a ferret or a dog on any day during the 3 weeks did you ?Oh I did but was told you could manage with what you had between you so never brought them again was nt going to keep them cooped up in June without a good reason my bitch was in season and three dogs would not be ideal Who did the paid follow up jobs ,clearing the last few after we had finished the main contract ?

 

I stand by what I said originally... You might be twice my age ...but you don't know it all and certainly are not in a position to think you can talk down to me as if your the final word in whats what.

In the real world,By the time you had finished talking about what your going to do and then implementing it on any given rabbit removal job...I would be digging the last rabbit out and having my dinner, before you start. ..the end result would not be the same either because you probably keep ferrets that really are Jackers.. ?

 

PS... The singing pays a lot better than wooden wheels old chap..Plus it has many other advantages.

 

 

You know what old man...Life is too short...so am I. . . . your the best... you know it all. . . I am a simple amateur who knows nothing about catching rabbits.

 

I only come on here to learn something. . . . thanks for showing me where i have been going wrong. . . I will strive to be better. . . Oh and obviously get some new ferrets... and dogs probably.

 

YIS