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[BGD 6,437]

 

 

a schutzhund I dog of any breeding is a much bigger achievement imo

 

wouldn't have the patience and dedication personally but admire those who do.

 

But would you sell the pups off it as bred from tried & tested workers? At the end of the day until a dog has actually WORKED in real life situations for a good few years you can't call it tested. It might take a lot of dedication to train to that level but when the chips were down I know which I'd prefer to have at my side if the choice was between a sleeve-obsessed titled Schtz dog and a real-world trained and tested PPD/SecurityDog

 

So what is a tried and tested PPD/Security dog then?

 

A dog trained professionally in man work (not sport) that's been worked as a PPD/Security Patrol Dog in the real world...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

 

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

 

 

That's some chest on that dog would really like to see how a 1st x dutch x grey would turn out.

 

if all goes to plan then there will be a litter on the ground sometime next year. i will put the best greyhound dog i can get my hands on over her and see what happens.

 

 

Make sure you keep as up to date with how that goes, be really interesting to see how they turn out comapred to GSD x Grey. I imagine they'd be similiar to bird's Buck but a bit lighter in build and more full on in temp

[trigger2 3,279]

 

 

 

a schutzhund I dog of any breeding is a much bigger achievement imo

 

wouldn't have the patience and dedication personally but admire those who do.

 

But would you sell the pups off it as bred from tried & tested workers? At the end of the day until a dog has actually WORKED in real life situations for a good few years you can't call it tested. It might take a lot of dedication to train to that level but when the chips were down I know which I'd prefer to have at my side if the choice was between a sleeve-obsessed titled Schtz dog and a real-world trained and tested PPD/SecurityDog

 

So what is a tried and tested PPD/Security dog then?

 

A dog trained professionally in man work (not sport) that's been worked as a PPD/Security Patrol Dog in the real world...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

 

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

 

 

That's some chest on that dog would really like to see how a 1st x dutch x grey would turn out.

 

if all goes to plan then there will be a litter on the ground sometime next year. i will put the best greyhound dog i can get my hands on over her and see what happens.

 

 

Make sure you keep as up to date with how that goes, be really interesting to see how they turn out comapred to GSD x Grey. I imagine they'd be similiar to bird's Buck but a bit lighter in build and more full on in temp

 

[gnasher16 31,123]

Im not so sure Lukey......close protection is going to come to a lot more than 10k !......Lets just give them the benefit of the doubt and say they do probably like dogs a little bit at least

[neems 2,406]

Im not so sure Lukey......close protection is going to come to a lot more than 10k !......Lets just give them the benefit of the doubt and say they do probably like dogs a little bit at least

 

or maybe he just doesn't want some meathead sat around the house all day then sleeping on his bed

[lukey 1,621]

The guy owns security ect mate so I don't really think the dog is needed! If u want il see if they will sell it to you to keep all the thl mafia away?

[gnasher16 31,123]

 

 

 

or maybe he just doesn't want some meathead sat around the house all day then sleeping on his bed

 

Thats a fair point.

 

The guy owns security ect mate so I don't really think the dog is needed! If u want il see if they will sell it to you to keep all the thl mafia away?

Ive got a much cheaper alternative for that...............its called an on/off button....but thanks for the offer.

[dare 1,103]

why would someone need a personal protection dog? I can understand a big dog left outside of the kennels to put of scumbags. Personal protection dog though, dont the law f**k that idea up? If someone really wants to get you they will anway. I would hate to be that paranoid that i felt i needed a dog to protect me.

[neems 2,406]

why would someone need a personal protection dog? I can understand a big dog left outside of the kennels to put of scumbags. Personal protection dog though, dont the law f**k that idea up? If someone really wants to get you they will anway. I would hate to be that paranoid that i felt i needed a dog to protect me.

 

if you had a lot of valuables and lived in an isolated place,would you not feel a little bit happier having a well trained protection dog with you?

 

or more so with your wife when you went out?

 

I can't see the courts destroying a dog for defending it's owner in it's own house from a burglar,not because they aren't c**ts,but because the public outcry would be huge.

[BGD 6,437]

why would someone need a personal protection dog? I can understand a big dog left outside of the kennels to put of scumbags. Personal protection dog though, dont the law f**k that idea up? If someone really wants to get you they will anway. I would hate to be that paranoid that i felt i needed a dog to protect me.

 

I knew a fella that collected rent in some rough areas back in the day, everyone in the area hated him and knew he would be leaving with pockets stuffed full of cash. I know why he wanted a PPD at his side while making his rounds

[gnipper 6,745]

 

 

why would someone need a personal protection dog? I can understand a big dog left outside of the kennels to put of scumbags. Personal protection dog though, dont the law f**k that idea up? If someone really wants to get you they will anway. I would hate to be that paranoid that i felt i needed a dog to protect me.

if you had a lot of valuables and lived in an isolated place,would you not feel a little bit happier having a well trained protection dog with you?

 

or more so with your wife when you went out?

 

I can't see the courts destroying a dog for defending it's owner in it's own house from a burglar,not because they aren't c**ts,but because the public outcry would be huge.

Surely the courts would throw the book at you if you had a professionally trained attack dog that savaged someone while you were there?

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

why would someone need a personal protection dog? I can understand a big dog left outside of the kennels to put of scumbags. Personal protection dog though, dont the law f**k that idea up? If someone really wants to get you they will anway. I would hate to be that paranoid that i felt i needed a dog to protect me.

if you had a lot of valuables and lived in an isolated place,would you not feel a little bit happier having a well trained protection dog with you?

 

or more so with your wife when you went out?

 

I can't see the courts destroying a dog for defending it's owner in it's own house from a burglar,not because they aren't c**ts,but because the public outcry would be huge.

Surely the courts would throw the book at you if you had a professionally trained attack dog that savaged someone while you were there?

 

 

Savaged? Yes. Bite and hold until you give the command to release? Not so cut and dry.

 

The new laws about attacks on private property haven't been tested in court yet so we have no idea what the penalties would be for your dog attacking an intruder. Before the new laws you were totally free from any charges as long as the dog wasn't a banned breed or already deemed dangerous by the courts, whether the victim was an intruder or not.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

why would someone need a personal protection dog? I can understand a big dog left outside of the kennels to put of scumbags. Personal protection dog though, dont the law f**k that idea up? If someone really wants to get you they will anway. I would hate to be that paranoid that i felt i needed a dog to protect me.

if you had a lot of valuables and lived in an isolated place,would you not feel a little bit happier having a well trained protection dog with you?

 

or more so with your wife when you went out?

 

I can't see the courts destroying a dog for defending it's owner in it's own house from a burglar,not because they aren't c**ts,but because the public outcry would be huge.

Surely the courts would throw the book at you if you had a professionally trained attack dog that savaged someone while you were there?

 

 

if someone broke into your house?

 

a trained dog would be far more under control than a dog that is capable but untrained,if your dog really is up to standard and they brought in an expert witness i could only see it going 1 way.

 

imagine the headlines if some family's home was broken into,their brave dog held the shithead until police got there,only to be put down himself and the owner imprisoned.

 

the key word is control.

Edited May 15, 2015 by neems

[downsouth 8,277]

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

 

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

My mate who I train with has a herder with an 1/8 very well bred bull blood in it.Proper full on dog with off the scale drive.He recently went out to Holland to learn some KNPV style for his decoy work and told me that they didn't mind mixing a bit of something else into their herders.

[Accip74 7,112]

There seems to be a lot of 'ifs' & 'maybes' with these personal protection dogs.........anyone got one that's actually had to do anything yet? Or could the average security dog spend it's working life without actually having to stop a man?

[BGD 6,437]

There seems to be a lot of 'ifs' & 'maybes' with these personal protection dogs.........anyone got one that's actually had to do anything yet? Or could the average security dog spend it's working life without actually having to stop a man?

 

99% of home security dogs probably go their whole lives never having to stop a man but you don't know how many would be burglars they've deterred just by being there. If all you're after is home security an alarm and maybe a yappy f****r would be all you need but if you enjoy owning this sort of dog why not add an extra layer to your home defences?

 

Personally of all the guard dogs I've owned only one has actually had to do the deed on my property and he did everything I'd expect of him, held the scrote in a corner pissing his pants until I got home and dealt with it