neems 2,406 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Fertility treatment means children that may carry the poor fertility may now exist, when left to nature, it would not be the case. The laws of nature do not apply to us any more. That's just not true. The old criteria for selection no longer apply, the law of natural selection still very much applies. Again, we seem to think we are somehow special and separate to nature. the 'criteria' is certainly less stringent now. any unhealthy retard,that's capable (with medical assistance) of reproducing probably will. to my knowledge there are no areas in which we're not degenerating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 In our development of advanced societies with politics and ethics etc we have changed our environment in a very unique way. With that change, as always the criteria for natural selection has changed, the criteria for the fittest is no longer what it was, which is what everybody seems to get hung up on. Don't judge our current selection on old criteria. Look at our new current environment and judge for yourself what some of the new criteria for natural selection are. We are adapting to this new environment, an environment that is completely dependant on us as a species and so a dangerously incestuous environment for natural selection. I know that the criteria of breeding has changed, but that does not change the fact that the 'old' laws of natural selection as you call them are still valid today. Off on a tangent, could this experimentation on keeping people alive be a plot by the elite to find the elixir of everlasting life? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,938 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yes of course. Parasitic no hopers with weak minds and terrible genetics can and do breed like f**k while excellent human specimens and the peak of physical and mental ability are too driven by social success to settle and breed.... The laws of the natural world still apply, no less or more strictly, just differently.... We are as much a part of this natural world as a polar bear, no matter how removed we feel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,938 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 In our development of advanced societies with politics and ethics etc we have changed our environment in a very unique way. With that change, as always the criteria for natural selection has changed, the criteria for the fittest is no longer what it was, which is what everybody seems to get hung up on. Don't judge our current selection on old criteria. Look at our new current environment and judge for yourself what some of the new criteria for natural selection are. We are adapting to this new environment, an environment that is completely dependant on us as a species and so a dangerously incestuous environment for natural selection. I know that the criteria of breeding has changed, but that does not change the fact that the 'old' laws of natural selection as you call them are still valid today. Off on a tangent, could this experimentation on keeping people alive be a plot by the elite to find the elixir of everlasting life? So finally we agree, natural selection still applies! Lol. Just the criteria is different. As it is for every other species that undergoes an environmental change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,086 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 If killing each other was the answer it would have happened by now Silversnake. We need to work together as a species and stop the BS, were our own worst enemy, religion, greed and power over our fellow man seems to be the goal, and its bollocks. Reduction in population, by agreement, to alleviate the pressure on world resources and pollution is the way to go, the planet can't stand much more of it. The alternative is more of the "same old same old" In all honesty were a scurge on the world, we don't deserve what we've got. But that's what you get when the greedy, insane minority rule the roost, no good for any of us. We've tried the silly way for thousands of years, why not give the alternative way the chance........................human nature, were scum........unfortunatly Isn't this just the same old "new age" drama? The world is certainly not full. Nor does it lack resources. We as a species do seem to have a problem with equitable distribution though. Also, before you slam religions, and our governmental systems. While there are examples of the worst throughout history. They are also responsible for most of the good that gets done. Humans left to their own devices are often monsters. ATB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silversnake 1,099 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 people arent scum,humans are the pinnacle of all life on our planet. the internationalist/globalist mindset you allude to is the real problem,before that ideology came to be we were at peace with ourselves and nature,hopefully we will be again one day. "people arent scum,humans are the pinnacle of all life on our planet" Having a laugh are you mate? "Globalist" Hardly? Im not talking "one harmonious world" at all, rather just putting our house in order, and reducing the strain on the planet. what more intelligent or creative species exists to your knowledge? 'work together as a species' like feeding those poor Africans so they can survive and breed even more? and just hope they voluntarily go against all instinct and stop breeding in such massive numbers? before we started 'helping' everyone the world was a far better,healthier place. What more stupid and destructive species exists to your knowledge? What don't you understand about me advocating " reducing the population" Africans that their land/resources can't support included. The big multinationals have raped Africa and walked away leaving them to it, caused civil wars and kept the wrong leaders in power if they played the game for a cheap bribe, basically mate we've got a lot to answer for if you want to be honest about it. take away all non-african technology (everything from the mobile phone to the wheel) and the population would plummet and become sustainable quite quickly imo. but they won't reduce it voluntarily,it's not in their nature. left to our own devices we strike a balance with nature,when a more intelligent race of human interferes the balance is disturbed. This is what I meant by we need to take a few steps back, but I agree with david attenborough if we don't get our house in order mother nature will do it for us Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Humans left to their own devices are often monsters. ATB You could even call them animals, as we all have that self preservation gene in there somewhere. TC 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 If killing each other was the answer it would have happened by now Silversnake. We need to work together as a species and stop the BS, were our own worst enemy, religion, greed and power over our fellow man seems to be the goal, and its bollocks. Reduction in population, by agreement, to alleviate the pressure on world resources and pollution is the way to go, the planet can't stand much more of it. The alternative is more of the "same old same old" In all honesty were a scurge on the world, we don't deserve what we've got. But that's what you get when the greedy, insane minority rule the roost, no good for any of us. We've tried the silly way for thousands of years, why not give the alternative way the chance........................human nature, were scum........unfortunatly Isn't this just the same old "new age" drama? The world is certainly not full. Nor does it lack resources. We as a species do seem to have a problem with equitable distribution though. Also, before you slam religions, and our governmental systems. While there are examples of the worst throughout history. They are also responsible for most of the good that gets done. Humans left to their own devices are often monsters. ATB So just keep breeding for the sake of it, and use the resources quicker? Religion? No good in it at all imo, just a control tool, no more no less, plenty of harm in it though. Governments are run by the same lot who run religion, there's no honesty or goodwill to their fellow man involved in it at all, the American government being one of the worst of the lot. Things change for the better because of public opinion, governments and religion do their level best to hold the progress of "good" up, always have and always will. Iv'e been saying were basically "no good" as a species all over this forum since i joined, humans are monsters/ selfish/greedy....ect....ect....that's why we have to have laws/punishment, the problem is that's not distributed evenly either is it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 so in a round about way isis are just a part of natural selection. survival of the fittest and culling the weaker parts of society? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silversnake 1,099 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 If killing each other was the answer it would have happened by now Silversnake. We need to work together as a species and stop the BS, were our own worst enemy, religion, greed and power over our fellow man seems to be the goal, and its bollocks. Reduction in population, by agreement, to alleviate the pressure on world resources and pollution is the way to go, the planet can't stand much more of it. The alternative is more of the "same old same old" In all honesty were a scurge on the world, we don't deserve what we've got. But that's what you get when the greedy, insane minority rule the roost, no good for any of us. We've tried the silly way for thousands of years, why not give the alternative way the chance........................human nature, were scum........unfortunatly Isn't this just the same old "new age" drama? The world is certainly not full. Nor does it lack resources. We as a species do seem to have a problem with equitable distribution though. Also, before you slam religions, and our governmental systems. While there are examples of the worst throughout history. They are also responsible for most of the good that gets done. Humans left to their own devices are often monsters. ATB So just keep breeding for the sake of it, and use the resources quicker? Religion? No good in it at all imo, just a control tool, no more no less, plenty of harm in it though. Governments are run by the same lot who run religion, there's no honesty or goodwill to their fellow man involved in it at all, the American government being one of the worst of the lot. Things change for the better because of public opinion, governments and religion do their level best to hold the progress of "good" up, always have and always will. Iv'e been saying were basically "no good" as a species all over this forum since i joined, humans are monsters/ selfish/greedy....ect....ect....that's why we have to have laws/punishment, the problem is that's not distributed evenly either is it. I think the problems start from birth, vaccinations, fluorided water, powdered milk, etc we are getting poisons in our bodies. We start school and we are forced to sit in an enclosed room with fake air and fake temperatures learning about things we have no interest in and most of which we will never use. Why aren't we taught to share and care, to grow vegetables, animal husbandry, fishing, hunting and ALWAYS to love and care for nature, particularly water ways. Instead we are generally taught the opposite, we are drugged and confused and filled with fear and hate, constantly told lies and exhausted physically and mentally. We should live in smaller communities, how can we have one leader for millions or billions, how can one leader have a connection to mountain people, city people, farm people, ocean people, etc, etc yet be expected to make fair and right decisions about these peoples land and livelyhoods. No wonder there's so much corruption and stupidity everywhere. Until we empower ourselves with control of our land and our future we are on a downhill slide that will have a devastating stop for most if not all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 nature will always address an imbalance at some point in time, as for the rest the simple answer is "Money is the root of all Evil" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Not to correct you sir "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils" 1 Timothy 6:10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 What's the theme of this thread anyway? Is it not about some Muslims showing themselves to be good examples of their faith? The last page something totally different. . Will have a look through when I get five Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,086 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Humans left to their own devices are often monsters. ATB You could even call them animals, as we all have that self preservation gene in there somewhere. TC You could. But we know as hunters, that animals always do what they are supposed to do. It's our job to learn and predict their ways. Monsters are another story. Since this thread is based around religion I'll say that it's entirely possible the good lord keeps this world running because at least the animals have their act together. ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,938 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 What's the theme of this thread anyway? Is it not about some Muslims showing themselves to be good examples of their faith? The last page something totally different. . Will have a look through when I get five Oh, can't you tell? It started on a topical news event, the torched Jordanian, rapidly moved to the horrors of Islam, then to the horrors of immigration, then post Hiroshima Japan and their foreign/defence policy, then ermmmm I forget...... and before we know it we're talking about the philosophical and biological future of the human species. I'm sure there was some Zionism talk in there somewhere too! Pretty standard General Talk thread.... Keep up! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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