Collie Greyhound

[Fieldsporthunter 1,864]

Any one know anything about generation bred collie greys bred by Kevin Rowlands.

[Fieldsporthunter 1,864]

Any one know anything about generation bred collie greys bred by Kevin Rowlands.

Just read that again and its not quite what I ment. . . does any one have any experience with them?

[fluff 410]

in fact does any body still produce very god colie greyhound type that are capable of catchin winter hares, roe rabbit odd fox ,most i see look like the havent the gears or lack the drive ,

[bird 10,014]

in fact does any body still produce very god colie greyhound type that are capable of catchin winter hares, roe rabbit odd fox ,most i see look like the havent the gears or lack the drive ,

the only one ive ever seen , was a mates 1/4 collie (b/b) 3/4 grey hancock bred, big rough fawn dog, and he deff give good show on winter datytime hare, good in the lamp rabbits no prob, and do foxes easy, not sure if he ran deer with him, but he catch them if he did. but if you look at the x again, the collie watered down isn't , like ive always said 1/4 plenty in any lurcher x

[fluff 410]

ye bird but you need the right stock to water them down saw four generaitions of the type i have ,all simliar traits m chapmnas bob , my luke lana minni ,im wondeing if there still that stamp about tidy dogs fast plenty grit and good retreiving instincts or is it athing of the past ,lana had the attitude of the terrier even tho there was none in her the speed of the greyhound and drive of a steam train ,even at ten and 9 killed game ,with pins in her leg never had adog so driven to catch ,im wondering if there others simliar still about mate

[FUJI 17,623]

ye bird but you need the right stock to water them down saw four generaitions of the type i have ,all simliar traits m chapmnas bob , my luke lana minni ,im wondeing if there still that stamp about tidy dogs fast plenty grit and good retreiving instincts or is it athing of the past ,lana had the attitude of the terrier even tho there was none in her the speed of the greyhound and drive of a steam train ,even at ten and 9 killed game ,with pins in her leg never had adog so driven to catch ,im wondering if there others simliar still about mate

Plenty out there Matty .. Capable of doing what you said on a previous post bud and more,a rabbits a rabbit no big shakes,a 14lb fox again no big issue to many,roe well they are the dumbest mammal in this country and as for hares unless we want to run them where only the Saluki is capable of catching them lol again plenty would fall to the jaws of a cur x ..I will admit though yours are good lookers and therefore rosette winners compared to many lol ?

[Phil Lloyd 10,739]

@ Fuji....

 

I love the Collie crosses,...always have....

 

The best of the breed are a pleasure to be around...

They are so knowing, so in tune with their quarry, and once you learn to speak cur,.the game is on.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Phil Lloyd

[haymin 2,465]

Here a collie grey from the 50's?

[kevin kiely 66]

Is it half collie ?

[fluff 410]

no, bred her my self still ,got one ,left in kennel and some pups but with saluki through them great to have bred and owned a dog of that stamp and still got them about , she was collie lurcher back to grade a greyhound bitch ,fuji, i used them for daylite hares same as my saluk crosses she done well on fast wheat land ,,never bred them for looks just coursing day time and bolting rabbs ,and roe on the open land we hunt in winter, single handed dogs ,just hard to keep a standard ,as i like the saluki cross to ,rex is in the same stamp as lana but not a collie cross saluk cross , hard keeping a high standard going at times

[fluff 410]

bred her in 2000 put her away 2012 but got two good litters of her to keep her blood on the ground for running ,

[fluff 410]

fuji only way to test a dog is to take it to places were hares are well ran see how they do ,in winter ,or areas were game has been harrased a bit , i like dogs that are up and at there game ,nothing else will do , as its all open coursing land anything slow gets a tale chase unless early season when there a bit silly ,,hard game at times ,and if you have dogs like lana or can do the same, ille not need to go far for another ,there getting thin on the ground top class collie greyhound type , thats why i keep coursing type dogs can produce them easier mate

[FUJI 17,623]

Fluff,I'm not doubting your own dogs fella,truthfully my cur Don wouldn't of killed hares regular on big land back in the day but I knew what I was getting when I bred him,I bred him as a lamp dog which he was pretty darn good at,he lost an eye in a freak hunting accident so I stopped lamping him,he was and still is mad keen and totally focused on whatever he's running,he would undoubtedly kill himself were I to lamp him regularly.. His drive is that of a pure greyhound if not more so we changed tactics lol,he has become a daytime mooching type of dog and apart from coursing which even with two eyes and being ten yards quicker he wouldn't be anything other than average at imo? But all other aspects of lurcherwork he's a fair animal from digging to the terriers,ferreting,hunting up,working to guns,beating,leading you to bigger fallen game if a long way off etc he does it all he's even had a 2/3 on long ears running solo just shy of 6 years old but I'm not saying he's a Fen dog haha...lots of other Collie types in fact types of all breeds are capable of the same if not more,personally I think you done a good thing introducing coursing blood,I've done it myself as my own bitch Swift & Tomo's bitch Venus are bred this way and both of them ain't to bad at grafting and can kill on bigger land as well as smaller.i breed dogs capable of performing to a decent standard on the ground i run and for the gear i intend to run as I guess you do too after all you wouldn't send an electrician to build a wall would you? Same difference really ?. That bitch you put a pic up of there just looks a little to greyhoundy for my personal preference but she's a nice looker for sure ?

[border lad 1,047]

 

the collie crosses I was talking about was run daylight, never lamped, Run on plough, seed fields, Tattie fields, and Moorland, and Ive run them on Hard frost,

with no problems, Back in those days, deerhound/grey was a common breed then, x that breed into a good collie cross, and it did not stop there, once you crossed with the deerhound cross you get dogs upto 28/29" when you had a good bitch out of all those crosses especially, a bitch with a broken coat or rough coat which was common the next cross, a Grew dog, grey/whippet, and that litter you were on the money for all edible, a good coat good feet, with pace and a hunting brain, Prey drive, then I screwed up I emigrated, and I lost all that good breeding, when I came back 10 years later things had moved on LAMPING,

and the saluki xs the Saluki x has great recovery from a hard run, and can run clever, good feet, eye sight, prey drive,, you have to learn to work with them

they are the aristocrats, of the lurcher world, oh they can do there job, but sometimes they try your patience to the limit, such as life, nothing wrong with a good ole collie x biddable, I think it has a lot to do with the man on the end of the Lead, thats the problem, and if you run any dog Long enough , hard enough, you will sicken them always keep your dog sweet, that dog what you keep dreaming about does not exist, you HAVE to PUT the WORK IN front of the dog,But also know when he or she has had enough, you cannot keep emptying the tank, because its going to run dry,

You can sicken any dog for sure but collie xs , can sicken there selves in my opinion.

 

you can sicken any x especially in its first year, if you want a fox dog, then add terrier blood, but every rabbit they catch, CAN BE badly bruised, obviously, you can get exceptions to the rule, I do not want to eat a smashed rabbit, (((( even placing the carcass, in a basin of salted water, to remove the blood, does not do it for me, I like to eat good clean meat fresh ORGANIC, there is no better, (((((

[border lad 1,047]

I am thinking of breeding my wee black bitch, Saluki/whippet/grey, to a collie/grey thats been bred from collie/greys workers for at least 10 generations,

the bitch is a single handed dog, only on Edible, great Pace, and lung power, ((( Her grand sire was Westmeadehawk, she can do her job,

the sire = he takes all edible, plenty of stamina, he is 4 rising 5 stands 26" this is not for definite, I am only toying the Idea around in my head, if some lads who would be interested please Pm, me, the Last litter of Pups I bred was back in the 70s,