Irish Terrier

[Saluki246 1,053]

 

 

JMHO but the dogs back in the late 70s, the 80s and the 90s that had big reputations (and rightly so) that were known as Irish Terrier crosses always had something else in the pedigree.

Whether it was deerhound, foxhound or ,in the 90s, saluki they were still called Irish terrier crosses.

In saying that there were a few dogs with nothing other than Irish terrier and greyhound in their breeding that were very good but they were a lot rarer than the other Irish terrier crosses that were scatter bred.

IMO any one who'd think about putting an Irish terrier over a greyhound nowadays needs their head examined, but that's just my opinion.

Well said. Their is no true irish terrier or cross now, as the real working irish terrier is moreless instinct.

The silly KC club put an end to a lot of the real working irish terriers. !

How did the kennel club put an end to anything? They're just a registry. What put an end to a lot of working terrier breeds is the men that worked them moving on to the next big thing. Truly valued working breeds never die out, they just split into working and show/pet strains.

 

 

The KC set a standard and the show bregade try their best to acieve this standard, its all about looks, not working ability with the show crowd.

If their is real working irish terriers or weatons, id like to see them, their rare or not around anymore. The pure working strains.

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

JMHO but the dogs back in the late 70s, the 80s and the 90s that had big reputations (and rightly so) that were known as Irish Terrier crosses always had something else in the pedigree.

Whether it was deerhound, foxhound or ,in the 90s, saluki they were still called Irish terrier crosses.

In saying that there were a few dogs with nothing other than Irish terrier and greyhound in their breeding that were very good but they were a lot rarer than the other Irish terrier crosses that were scatter bred.

IMO any one who'd think about putting an Irish terrier over a greyhound nowadays needs their head examined, but that's just my opinion.

Well said. Their is no true irish terrier or cross now, as the real working irish terrier is moreless instinct.

The silly KC club put an end to a lot of the real working irish terriers. !

How did the kennel club put an end to anything? They're just a registry. What put an end to a lot of working terrier breeds is the men that worked them moving on to the next big thing. Truly valued working breeds never die out, they just split into working and show/pet strains.

The KC set a standard and the show bregade try their best to acieve this standard, its all about looks, not working ability with the show crowd.

If their is real working irish terriers or weatons, id like to see them, their rare or not around anymore. The pure working strains.

How does that effect dogs in working homes being bred for work though?

If folk valued them as workers they never would of have died out they would have just kept breeding them amongst themselves with no regard to KC standards.

Just look at all the various breeds that have made the split between show and working strains.

[neems 2,406]

I think the show bred strains would still occasionally throw a decent worker which would find it's way into the working dogs gene pool,gradually lowering the quality.

[shaaark 11,341]

Is this not EXACTLY what happened to bull x's?! And a few other types/x's?!

Edited April 7, 2015 by shaaark

[welcome 447]

Their is still working strains of irish terrier in ireland if yea know where to look and theirs a bedlington up the road from me hes like a tank a head on him like a bucket

Edited April 6, 2015 by welcome

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I think the show bred strains would still occasionally throw a decent worker which would find it's way into the working dogs gene pool,gradually lowering the quality.

 

Doesn't really seem to of had that effect on Collies, Labradors, Pointers, Foxhounds, Spaniels, German Shepherds etc etc. All popular show breeds while also having a strong following among working dog folk.

 

There's room for both in the dog world IMO

Edited April 6, 2015 by BGD

[shaaark 11,341]

Their is still working strains of irish terrier in ireland if yea know where to look and theirs a bedlington up the road from me hes like a tank a head on him like a bucket

Edited April 7, 2015 by shaaark

[neems 2,406]

 

I think the show bred strains would still occasionally throw a decent worker which would find it's way into the working dogs gene pool,gradually lowering the quality.

 

Doesn't really seem to of had that effect on Collies, Labradors, Pointers, Foxhounds, Spaniels, German Shepherds etc etc. All popular show breeds while also having a strong following among working dog folk.

 

There's room for both in the dog world IMO

 

 

i think it pretty much destroyed the german shepard in the uk,thats why we import them now from eastern europe.

 

i certainly think there will be detrimental effect on all those breeds,its just theyre essential or very important in their role so people have strived to keep quality working lines alive.

 

i think completing working trials being a requirement to enter shows would help a lot.

[fat man 4,741]

I think PK used to breed a lot of irish terrierx's back in the 80s and there is a chap on here from dublin that keeps them.I had a halfx late 80s but he was not up to much,did not like teeth and only average on rabbits.

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I think the show bred strains would still occasionally throw a decent worker which would find it's way into the working dogs gene pool,gradually lowering the quality.

 

Doesn't really seem to of had that effect on Collies, Labradors, Pointers, Foxhounds, Spaniels, German Shepherds etc etc. All popular show breeds while also having a strong following among working dog folk.

 

There's room for both in the dog world IMO

 

 

i think it pretty much destroyed the german shepard in the uk,thats why we import them now from eastern europe.

 

i certainly think there will be detrimental effect on all those breeds,its just theyre essential or very important in their role so people have strived to keep quality working lines alive.

 

i think completing working trials being a requirement to enter shows would help a lot.

 

 

It ruined our show line GSDs, there's always been small pockets of serious working bred GSDs in the country, just not bred on the scale or to the standard of the DDR etc dogs.

 

Working trials for most breeds as a requirement to enter shows would be a terrible idea IMO, the people buying show dogs don't want a working dog they want a fanny licker that's happy with the odd stroll in the park. Can you imagine the average show going "fur mummy" with say an English Mastiff with a correct working temperament? Would be a disaster.

 

Working line dogs for working folk and show/pet line dogs for the pet owners, it makes sense.

[nans pat 2,575]

the kids here have a wee irish terrier x whippet here dynamite on lamp.be a good cross over a coursing bitch,

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

I think the show bred strains would still occasionally throw a decent worker which would find it's way into the working dogs gene pool,gradually lowering the quality.

 

Doesn't really seem to of had that effect on Collies, Labradors, Pointers, Foxhounds, Spaniels, German Shepherds etc etc. All popular show breeds while also having a strong following among working dog folk.

 

There's room for both in the dog world IMO

 

 

i think it pretty much destroyed the german shepard in the uk,thats why we import them now from eastern europe.

 

i certainly think there will be detrimental effect on all those breeds,its just theyre essential or very important in their role so people have strived to keep quality working lines alive.

 

i think completing working trials being a requirement to enter shows would help a lot.

 

 

It ruined our show line GSDs, there's always been small pockets of serious working bred GSDs in the country, just not bred on the scale or to the standard of the DDR etc dogs.

 

Working trials for most breeds as a requirement to enter shows would be a terrible idea IMO, the people buying show dogs don't want a working dog they want a fanny licker that's happy with the odd stroll in the park. Can you imagine the average show going "fur mummy" with say an English Mastiff with a correct working temperament? Would be a disaster.

 

Working line dogs for working folk and show/pet line dogs for the pet owners, it makes sense.

 

 

we're goin well off subject now,but i highly doubt you'll find a decent GSD thats family have been here a long time.

 

you get the occaisional good worker with show a blood,and that means every now and then a turd enters the gene pool.

 

thats without talkig about the damage popularity can do a breed,especially when theres 2 types that look near identical.

 

but lets not hijack this thread anymore.

[Saluki246 1,053]

 

 

 

 

I think the show bred strains would still occasionally throw a decent worker which would find it's way into the working dogs gene pool,gradually lowering the quality.

 

Doesn't really seem to of had that effect on Collies, Labradors, Pointers, Foxhounds, Spaniels, German Shepherds etc etc. All popular show breeds while also having a strong following among working dog folk.

 

There's room for both in the dog world IMO

 

 

i think it pretty much destroyed the german shepard in the uk,thats why we import them now from eastern europe.

 

i certainly think there will be detrimental effect on all those breeds,its just theyre essential or very important in their role so people have strived to keep quality working lines alive.

 

i think completing working trials being a requirement to enter shows would help a lot.

 

 

It ruined our show line GSDs, there's always been small pockets of serious working bred GSDs in the country, just not bred on the scale or to the standard of the DDR etc dogs.

 

Working trials for most breeds as a requirement to enter shows would be a terrible idea IMO, the people buying show dogs don't want a working dog they want a fanny licker that's happy with the odd stroll in the park. Can you imagine the average show going "fur mummy" with say an English Mastiff with a correct working temperament? Would be a disaster.

 

Working line dogs for working folk and show/pet line dogs for the pet owners, it makes sense.

 

 

we're goin well off subject now,but i highly doubt you'll find a decent GSD thats family have been here a long time.

 

you get the occaisional good worker with show a blood,and that means every now and then a turd enters the gene pool.

 

thats without talkig about the damage popularity can do a breed,especially when theres 2 types that look near identical.

 

but lets not hijack this thread anymore.

 

 

 

The true hard guarding GSD, has nearly gone. Its a crying shame, as they were once seperb dogs at the job. Before the Berlin wall went down, thats where the true Greman shepherd was, used by the border petrol, they did not take any prisoners i can tell you now!, they wanted to kill people, just like all your lurchers want to kill rabbits. The german shepherd around now, are not a patch on them. They are too soft!!

Below, is a rare GSD, lines going back to the pre berlin wall days,.....this what you want to guard your home, a dog that wants to kill, not aprehend, however, times have moved on, and humans are getting softer...

 

[kevin kiely 66]

Anymore on pre Berlin Wall bloodline gsd?

[Tozer 385]

Out of interest, what is a working Irish terrier? They were never earth dogs, what is expected from one?