Starting To Become A Joke !

[Sweeney 316]

So I bit the bullet and bought a bull cross, lovely looking bitch and does what she told easily trainable does what I want. BUT now 9 months old still scared off everything ! I've just let the 2 of them out the back gate as I've had a few beers tonight and haven't taken them out. Anyhow out the back of me is a green with houses backing on to it, there running around pudding arsing about, at jack Russell barks the pup shits itself and runs back into the house ! Lol my older collie x bitch is just stood there looking at the house as if to say "what's that all about" ? This pup is not impressing me one little bit so far I have to say. She's a lovely big dog and exactly the type of build I wanted from a bull x, but I'm seriously starting to question whats up stairs, she's a complete wimp to be fair, my mates little beddy whippet gives her loads everytime we go out and she just doesn't want to know lol

[sikastag_1 689]

Just a pup mate still young, losing the head way it won't help I know you've not said you have but just saying, some dogs are just shy by nature tho.

[keepitcovert 842]

How long do you think a pup would last if it was agressive, 9 months is no age to have fully developed its character, give it time and you will see a change. Not being funny mate but i wouldnt have an agressive dog, worker yes but agressive no chance.

[RossM 7,979]

at what age were you actually hoping she was gonna start shaking other dogs about?!? Sounds to me like she knows her place in the pack/pecking order that and the fact she's just a pup, give her time to mentally mature and hopefully she'll start to meet you expectations IN THE FIELD.

[Dewclaw69 484]

got to agree with above comments. what the pup's displaying is just immaturity. it should have little to do with how the dog will work.

a mate of mine had a big heavy set bull cross dog last year and the dog looked the business. he tried to enter it at 10 months, the dog didn't want to know. he passed it on. a year later the dogs a cracker and he's regretting it.

Edited July 26, 2014 by robs5230

[Blackdog92 2,047]

Mine does the same as that he's a pain in the ass as soon as he see's another dog that he doesn't know he just stops dead in his tracks with his tail between his legs and he won't move even if the dogs away on the other side of the street.

[skycat 6,173]

Sounds like a very unsocialised animal to me: and as for allowing another dog, whatever the breeding, to 'give it loads' as you put it, doesn't do anything for a dog's confidence at all. FFS, what is this: the battle to see who has the hardest pup? The only way to get a 'hard' pup (please read confident, driven) is by getting the right pup in the first place, from good breeding, and socialise, socialise, socialise at the same time as protecting a puppy from aggressive dogs whilst it is growing up.

It is easy to ruin a pup or create a wimp if you don't know what you are doing.

 

But there is also the possibility that the pup is naturally submissive and timid, in which case you have to handle with kid gloves and gently build confidence. I've had naturally submissive dogs who have remained like that all their lives with other dogs, putting their tails down when meeting strange dogs and clinging to me ...but they've been superb workers on ALL legal quarry: back before the ban. Prey drive has nothing to do with how a dog reacts around its own kind.

[Blackdog92 2,047]

Sounds like a very unsocialised animal to me: and as for allowing another dog, whatever the breeding, to 'give it loads' as you put it, doesn't do anything for a dog's confidence at all. FFS, what is this: the battle to see who has the hardest pup? The only way to get a 'hard' pup (please read confident, driven) is by getting the right pup in the first place, from good breeding, and socialise, socialise, socialise at the same time as protecting a puppy from aggressive dogs whilst it is growing up.

It is easy to ruin a pup or create a wimp if you don't know what you are doing.

 

But there is also the possibility that the pup is naturally submissive and timid, in which case you have to handle with kid gloves and gently build confidence. I've had naturally submissive dogs who have remained like that all their lives with other dogs, putting their tails down when meeting strange dogs and clinging to me ...but they've been superb workers on ALL legal quarry: back before the ban. Prey drive has nothing to do with how a dog reacts around its own kind.

That's maybe what my problem is. Bit he has been well socialised and is around strange dogs all the time as I work on a lot off different farms and places that all have plenty of dogs. But like you said about them meeting a aggressive dog my neighbour has 6 terriers and there all horrible little t**ts and have ganged up and attacked him a few times when I haven't been able to protect him totally. I knew it was that I just didn't want to blame my problem on someone else. What are your thoughts on that? Edited July 26, 2014 by Blackdog92

[Sweeney 316]

got to agree with above comments. what the pup's displaying is just immaturity. it should have little to do with how the dog will work.

a mate of mine had a big heavy set bull cross dog last year and the dog looked the business. he tried to enter it at 10 months, the dog didn't want to know. he passed it on. a year later the dogs a cracker and he's regretting it.

Aww mate I know, and she is very immature still and won't be starting her this season, might let her have a run on couple rabbits at the end of season but there's no need for me to rush her as I have one doing the job already so slowly slowly. And as for the comments about me wanting her dog aggressive not at one point did I say I want her to be dog aggressive that's the last bloody thing I want for Christ sake what a stupid thing to say.....just the balls not to run off from a jack Russell's bark from someone's garden when she can't even see the dog lol

[Sweeney 316]

Sounds like a very unsocialised animal to me: and as for allowing another dog, whatever the breeding, to 'give it loads' as you put it, doesn't do anything for a dog's confidence at all. FFS, what is this: the battle to see who has the hardest pup? The only way to get a 'hard' pup (please read confident, driven) is by getting the right pup in the first place, from good breeding, and socialise, socialise, socialise at the same time as protecting a puppy from aggressive dogs whilst it is growing up.

It is easy to ruin a pup or create a wimp if you don't know what you are doing.

 

But there is also the possibility that the pup is naturally submissive and timid, in which case you have to handle with kid gloves and gently build confidence. I've had naturally submissive dogs who have remained like that all their lives with other dogs, putting their tails down when meeting strange dogs and clinging to me ...but they've been superb workers on ALL legal quarry: back before the ban. Prey drive has nothing to do with how a dog reacts around its own kind.

She's been well socialised, and when I say giving it loads I mean running around chasing/play fighting she just bottles it with my mates little beddy whippet but will constantly play bite and run with my older bitch. She's still very immature and very much still a pup, the older dogs grabbed a bunny the other night whilst out mooching and were playing the ol tug of war with it she wasn't interested, I took it off them and threw it for the pup....not really interested again, she mouthed it picked it up but that's about it. I'm just putting it down to she hasn't clicked yet, different dogs take different times. She's just wants to be a puppy and play still and I'm happy to let her do that. I just hope the drive will kick into her later on

[leegreen 2,101]

Yeah sounds rubbish. Send it over here and I'll find a good use for it .

[skycat 6,173]

 

Sounds like a very unsocialised animal to me: and as for allowing another dog, whatever the breeding, to 'give it loads' as you put it, doesn't do anything for a dog's confidence at all. FFS, what is this: the battle to see who has the hardest pup? The only way to get a 'hard' pup (please read confident, driven) is by getting the right pup in the first place, from good breeding, and socialise, socialise, socialise at the same time as protecting a puppy from aggressive dogs whilst it is growing up.

It is easy to ruin a pup or create a wimp if you don't know what you are doing.

 

But there is also the possibility that the pup is naturally submissive and timid, in which case you have to handle with kid gloves and gently build confidence. I've had naturally submissive dogs who have remained like that all their lives with other dogs, putting their tails down when meeting strange dogs and clinging to me ...but they've been superb workers on ALL legal quarry: back before the ban. Prey drive has nothing to do with how a dog reacts around its own kind.

That's maybe what my problem is. Bit he has been well socialised and is around strange dogs all the time as I work on a lot off different farms and places that all have plenty of dogs. But like you said about them meeting a aggressive dog my neighbour has 6 terriers and there all horrible little t**ts and have ganged up and attacked him a few times when I haven't been able to protect him totally. I knew it was that I just didn't want to blame my problem on someone else. What are your thoughts on that?

 

A pup or young dog that has been attacked during the formative months/weeks of its life may never get over being scared. This is why it is so important not to let pups have bad experiences, particularly around the 7 week mark, but there is also a second 'fear imprint' period in a pup's life, and that is harder to recognise as it happens anywhere between 6 and around 12 months of age, depending on the breeding of the dog, and also its individual temperament.

 

People often say a pup has become 'shy', and that is part of this fear period: let something bad happen to the pup during this time and it can mark it for life: but so much depends on the circumstances and the pup's sensitivity. Some just shrug things off, while others let it go deep and affect them: just like people. They and we are all different.

 

Taking a pup around loads of different places is great, but to take a pup where there are dogs who are on their own territory can actually make things worse, as the pup is constantly having to behave in a submissive manner in order to show the farm dogs that it is no threat to them. It's a bit like you having to make your way in the world constantly apologizing for just being there. Never a good idea to try and compare humans to dogs, but sometimes it works as we are both social animals.

 

Dogs also become breed phobic if they have been attacked by a certain type or breed of dog: not surprising really: again, try not to let a pup be exposed to anything that can damage its mental and emotional development. Pups brought up in sensible multi-dog households are generally more confident having been protected and boosted by the pack mentality, but they also need to stand on their own legs and be taken out alone or they can become too dependant on their mates and turn into basket cases if having to face strange dogs alone.

[slip lead 862]

Spot on skycat

[bird 9,601]

Sounds like a very unsocialised animal to me: and as for allowing another dog, whatever the breeding, to 'give it loads' as you put it, doesn't do anything for a dog's confidence at all. FFS, what is this: the battle to see who has the hardest pup? The only way to get a 'hard' pup (please read confident, driven) is by getting the right pup in the first place, from good breeding, and socialise, socialise, socialise at the same time as protecting a puppy from aggressive dogs whilst it is growing up.

It is easy to ruin a pup or create a wimp if you don't know what you are doing.

 

But there is also the possibility that the pup is naturally submissive and timid, in which case you have to handle with kid gloves and gently build confidence. I've had naturally submissive dogs who have remained like that all their lives with other dogs, putting their tails down when meeting strange dogs and clinging to me ...but they've been superb workers on ALL legal quarry: back before the ban. Prey drive has nothing to do with how a dog reacts around its own kind.

spot on penny , a lot of dogs can and will act sensitive+wimpy with other dogs more so strange dogs, but your right it don't affect them doing there job in the field .My young dog Buck loves people and dogs loves to play with any dog he meets, and prob run off from jack/terrier if it went for him . lol But fook me in the field he will tackle what ever he sees in front of him, he very full on. Dogs are strange animals , Bryn my colliex grey will scrap with any dog if they push him, he had a go at a staff last week that squared up to Buck, he bite the staff on the neck and the staff put a hole in the side of his head . all Buck wanted to was play with the staff lol, but Bryn prey drive ,guts, call it what you want, not like Buck . Buck got a lot more prey drive in him, so it don't mean nothing how they are with other dogs really, and if Buck was like Bryn with dogs, I would be in big trouble he would be nightmare to keep him .

[morton 5,367]

Bull x type lurchers have been ruined by nuggets wanting a dog with a certain character and the image it portrays.9 months old and your allready having doubts about the dogs lack of character and loss of cudos?.The same dog at 2 years of age may better portray the kind of character you wish for,id personally prefer a more quiet and laid back jukel,until the time arises,in the field,when it needs to show its mettle.