the_stig 6,614 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Early studies suggest that the nicotine in E cigs may cause cell changes to a similar degree as smoking! "gene expression studies show 263 differentially expressed genes following in vitro exposure to ECIG-conditioned media for 96hrs. The high nicotine ECIG-conditioned media induced a gene expression pattern similar to TCIG- conditioned media and whole cigarette smoke exposure" ( http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/20/2_Supplement/B16.abstract ) Thats without all the other stuff they put in, oils etc that line the lungs... Still not as many harmful chemicals as fags put down there.. There's not a lot of other stuff in there either. No ones saying they are good for you or completely benign, they are certainly better for you than the fags are though. Early studies suggest that the nicotine in E cigs may cause cell changes to a similar degree as smoking! "gene expression studies show 263 differentially expressed genes following in vitro exposure to ECIG-conditioned media for 96hrs. The high nicotine ECIG-conditioned media induced a gene expression pattern similar to TCIG- conditioned media and whole cigarette smoke exposure" ( http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/20/2_Supplement/B16.abstract ) Thats without all the other stuff they put in, oils etc that line the lungs... Still not as many harmful chemicals as fags put down there.. There's not a lot of other stuff in there either. No ones saying they are good for you or completely benign, they are certainly better for you than the fags are though. i`ve been a week now and the mrs says she dont hear me wheezing in my sleep like i used to only time will tell plan is to cut this down aswell over the weeks ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 im on 6mg menthol and to be fair i am fine, 0 mg next week then just mints after that, its not about how bad for you they are, its about how better for you they are than cigarettes, as an aid to stopping smoking there the best thing ever invented and this is where the trouble is. all products to stop you smoking are controlled by the drugs industry, is it in there interest for you to quit completely ? or indeed in the governments interest as there would be a significant revenue loss to both parties. as for studies, just compare any to cigarettes where over 200 carcinogens are found including lead, arsenic and mercury to name a few. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 im on 6mg menthol and to be fair i am fine, 0 mg next week then just mints after that, its not about how bad for you they are, its about how better for you they are than cigarettes, as an aid to stopping smoking there the best thing ever invented and this is where the trouble is. all products to stop you smoking are controlled by the drugs industry, is it in there interest for you to quit completely ? or indeed in the governments interest as there would be a significant revenue loss to both parties. as for studies, just compare any to cigarettes where over 200 carcinogens are found including lead, arsenic and mercury to name a few. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I haven't read this thread because it's all old hat to me. I gave up smoking several years ago and I'm not here to proselytise how I did it either. I just wanted to mention something ..... The other day, I was searching for something. F**k knows what. But, I thought it might be down there. Amongst all that darkness, dust, cobwebs and f**k knows. I seem to feel I found it. But, what else I found so shook me to the core that it's simply wiped the matter. I found two, 500g jars. Screw top lids. Thinking, " WTF?! ", I scraped the dust off and stared, uncomprehending, for a moment, at the contents. Roll up dog ends. Two, five hundred gram jars, completely f**king packed with them. Now, I was as methodical a smoker as I was a constant one. Each and every one of these dog ends was 3/4". Hundreds of the f**king things. I'd finish my fag and clip the end off. Then, I'd put the end in a jar. Why? Simple. My reasoning was that, should I become skint, I'd be able to slit open all these dog ends and recoup myself a nice little bit of 'baccy. Why waste it? I mean; For F**ks F**king Sake!!! Pure Junkie mentality! They went in the compost. And the stink that came off them was f**king appalling! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I haven't read this thread because it's all old hat to me. I gave up smoking several years ago and I'm not here to proselytise how I did it either. I just wanted to mention something ..... The other day, I was searching for something. F**k knows what. But, I thought it might be down there. Amongst all that darkness, dust, cobwebs and f**k knows. I seem to feel I found it. But, what else I found so shook me to the core that it's simply wiped the matter. I found two, 500g jars. Screw top lids. Thinking, " WTF?! ", I scraped the dust off and stared, uncomprehending, for a moment, at the contents. Roll up dog ends. Two, five hundred gram jars, completely f**king packed with them. Now, I was as methodical a smoker as I was a constant one. Each and every one of these dog ends was 3/4". Hundreds of the f**king things. I'd finish my fag and clip the end off. Then, I'd put the end in a jar. Why? Simple. My reasoning was that, should I become skint, I'd be able to slit open all these dog ends and recoup myself a nice little bit of 'baccy. Why waste it? I mean; For F**ks F**king Sake!!! Pure Junkie mentality! They went in the compost. And the stink that came off them was f**king appalling! i used to do a bit of house clearance did one house and found the same thing pete but a rose`s sweet jar full of filter tipped fag ends with the old gals lippo round the filter ----- her neighbour/friend came round for a few bits i said she could have coffee tea few other bits n bobs ornaments pots n pans showed her the said jar she says oh doris only liked half a fag ------------------------------- and she took the fooking jar i`ll have them she says save a few quid Edited April 14, 2014 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Vile! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Vile! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 3 weeks off the fags now .. had a day or two where i was spitting fury .. but other than that its not been to bad .. looking forwards to having extra money to spend on stuff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 3 weeks off the fags now .. had a day or two where i was spitting fury .. but other than that its not been to bad .. looking forwards to having extra money to spend on stuff E juice lol I'm gonna start making my own some day. It's only vegetable glycerine and a food flavour with some nicotine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toby63 1,236 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 6 weeks for me on ecig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 3 weeks off the fags now .. had a day or two where i was spitting fury .. but other than that its not been to bad .. looking forwards to having extra money to spend on stuff E juice lol I'm gonna start making my own some day. It's only vegetable glycerine and a food flavour with some nicotine. I read you can make it yourself , i don't think the flavours very powerful whatever i have tried so far has been a bit of a disappointment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goldfinch2007 2,331 Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 4 weeks tomorrow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 3 weeks off the fags now .. had a day or two where i was spitting fury .. but other than that its not been to bad .. looking forwards to having extra money to spend on stuff E juice lol I'm gonna start making my own some day. It's only vegetable glycerine and a food flavour with some nicotine. I read you can make it yourself , i don't think the flavours very powerful whatever i have tried so far has been a bit of a disappointment You need to get the right flavouring Kay. I've been reading loads about it. Lol You need to let it steep for a couple weeks to. When I make my first batch I'll send you a bottle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 3 weeks off the fags now .. had a day or two where i was spitting fury .. but other than that its not been to bad .. looking forwards to having extra money to spend on stuff E juice lol I'm gonna start making my own some day. It's only vegetable glycerine and a food flavour with some nicotine. I read you can make it yourself , i don't think the flavours very powerful whatever i have tried so far has been a bit of a disappointment You need to get the right flavouring Kay. I've been reading loads about it. Lol You need to let it steep for a couple weeks to. When I make my first batch I'll send you a bottle Nice one Scott.. i got one of the plastic tanks & a wick thing yesterday .. might have been the chuck away one that came with my kit that needed replacing as I cant believe the difference in the taste ... i might need to grade down to 18 nicotine now the 24 blew my head off in this new thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 4 weeks for me today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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