Malt 379 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Think its a security thing.. my lurcher is a proper insecure pain in the arse, he even does it to me when I come back in the room after going to the bathroom and having a piss! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I think that pack leader stuff is a load of ol bollocks a dogs mind has evolved so much over time they would have to be pretty dumb to see us as a member of their pack !..........They are just pleased to see their pal thats all......be it a stroke/food/walk/work.......they know attention is coming their way and a need will be met. Yep I agree with that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 My youngster smiles and chatters her teeth when she sees me she is so excited ... They all have their way of showing their pleasure .......... I had a lurcher years back socks you would swear the bitch was smiling chattering her teeth, didnt tell any one incase they thought i was nuts. For a fact dogs can smile and they also can recognise our smiles. Brenda Alloff wrote a good book about body language and it has a section on smiling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 My dog barks at me, runs off and comes back with a "present" for me. Whether it's a toy, a ball or a stinky dog blanket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,172 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Pack leaders can allow all sorts of liberties ... if they are in the mood for it. The crucial thing is if the dog does what you tell it to when you tell it to and without fuss. Mine are all over me on the sofa: saves lighting a fire in cold weather but they get off if I tell them: mind you, my old bitch generally has to have both feet planted against her back to help her on her way back to the floor , gently of course. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,756 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 My old father was really good at handling dogs we had terriers that would go deaf when I let them of . Him though they just done what he told them no shouting and screaming he just had the knack. Once when I was a teenager I asked him why they do what he told them and ignored me he said " it's because you sound like a Cnut " lol ?. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Happy to see you joel, same as a wild dog in a pack, youre the dominant pack leader.. i thought the same thing,but its the opposite according to that mexican guy, was flicking through his book other day. if a dog jumps up on u and shows a great fuss its the pack leader.not sure how much of that true i dont really know much about the guy tbh So the dogs think there the leaders by jumping on me, same as a dominant dog bossing a pup, who is the mexican? Guy's name is Cesar Millan ("the Dog Whisperer"). Does a TV show on Nat Geo, books, DVD's etc. He specialises in large and /or aggressive dogs - sometimes he seems to exert some kind of magic spell over them - but he says he isn't a dog trainer - "I rehabilitate dogs - I train people". Worth watching.............................(there's loads of his stuff on JewTube!) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I watched all his stuff and thought he was amazing until I got told on good authority that he is full of sh*t. He kicks dogs, uses e-collars, pinch collars and loads of other stuff most dog people on here would thing was mad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ray 185 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I had a labrador/ridgeback/staff cross that did whatever she was told, but then I never told her not to fetch rabbits and muntjac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) I watched all his stuff and thought he was amazing until I got told on good authority that he is full of sh*t. He kicks dogs, uses e-collars, pinch collars and loads of other stuff most dog people on here would thing was mad. Many of his critics use very emotive language to describe perfectly innocent and effective techniques - there is a world of difference between 'kicking' a dog, and nudging it with your heel - a difference between touching with open finger-ends to break unwanted fixation and 'punching'. He always recommends that you 'consult a professional' before trying any of his techniques. E-collars are only used as a last resort to stop nuisance barking ( and I've seen him use them to teach dogs to stay away from snakes). He encourages you to understand the way your dog thinks and relates to the wider world, and I would go so far as to say that if you have a calm, obedient dog you have probably used some of his techniques, without even realising it ! Watch the man at work and see for yourself ! (Not aimed at you Nik - just a general reply ) Edited December 9, 2013 by Blackbriar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Yeh I've watched every single episode, I was at rock bottom with my dog earlier in the year, completely gutted and miserable that he was getting nervous etc and the last of the 4 trainers I'd been to was a complete d**khead. Unfortunately CM rarely if even deals with Ollies kind of nervousness. I think the aggressive cases sell more shows so the National Geographic prefer him to do those ones. It's not so much the techniques like e-collars because I've also used one but I think the dominating thing he does so often is dodgy, my trainer is a very highly qualified behaviorist who teaches fire service handlers how to train their detection dogs and when I started talking about CM she said there was a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that you don't see. The guy gets amazing results there's no doubt about it but I think those 'touches' are a lot harder than they look. He's actually a black belt in some martial art. I'm definitely not trying to say the guy is cruel but I think there might be more modern techniques that work just as well. I agree about understanding how a dog thinks though, having this trainer round here is one of the best things I've done in my life, it's fascinating to listen to and she is very generous with her knowledge unlike most other trainers I know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 When I think of Dog Trainers, there's only one name that comes to my mind; My mate, Jon Naroditsky, of Fala Woods. He's the big guy with the massive shoulders. Mostly to be seen aggravating Dogs and wearing a sleeve and or orange hat. He also puts Dogs in dustbins. Piles them up, one on top of another ~ Pit Bulls 'n all. Gets them to lay across holes. All sorts of things. Oh, and he stretches Dogs too. But, don't worry; His madness if full of method. He's not Mexican. He doesn't write books or appear on international TV. But, when I went on a forum full of the most bad arsed, life style, Professional Trainers of full on Protection Dogs and openly stated that Jon was GOD? Not a single voice of contention was raised. They all know too; Jon's just in a class of his own Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 well if any c**t wants these books you welcome to them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) well if any c**t wants these books you welcome to them. who you calling a c**t,c**t, Edited December 9, 2013 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) reminded me of this scot ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYGy-j_oH5Q Edited December 9, 2013 by the_stig 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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