leegreen 2,300 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Getting rid of dead wood. 1 Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,682 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Got in my house atm got a terrier 18 years old and one 11 just pets been telling my parents for a while now the younger one is gone sense the older one is weak and kill him 1 Quote Link to post
beast 1,884 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 dogs are incredibly perceptive of visual signals given by others, either other dogs or handlers, and will no doubt pick up little signals that another dog is slowing down or not quite right long before we do. in my experience, most social animals, and social predators such as dogs especially, have such a well defined group dynamic which lives on such a knife edge much of the time that they just can't/won't cope with abnormal behaviour, or in the case of human-managed animals this doesnt even have to be abnormal just something they as individuals arent used to. bit of a ramble but does that make sense in any way? 2 Quote Link to post
Rabbiting man 1,192 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Could it be as they age, our dogs often suffer a decline in functioning. Their memory, their ability to learn, their awareness and their senses of sight and hearing can all deteriorate. This deterioration can cause disturbances in their sleep-wake cycles, making them restless at night but sleepy during the day. It can increase their activity level (resulting, for example, in staring at objects, wandering aimlessly or vocalizing more) or decrease their activity level (leading to less self-care and poor appetite). It can make them forget previously learned cues (commands) or habits they once knew well, such as house training and coming when called. It can increase their anxiety and tendency to react aggressively. It can also change their social relationships with you and other pets in your home. Some pets may become more clingy and overdependent, while others become less interested in affection, petting or interaction. Understanding the changes your dog is undergoing can help you compassionately and effectively deal with behavior problems that may arise in your dog’s senior years. It's just a thought. 1 Quote Link to post
Richie87 401 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 My friend has hounds and if one is week the rest of the pack do attack it I've seen it happen a few times and the week one gets pulled out until its back to normal and put back in they fine after a bit of snarling on so I would say yes ? 1 Quote Link to post
bird 10,014 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Any member of a pack that is ill or weak will be killed by other pack members. They're a liability to the welfare of the pack. Hounds do it all the time. I'm not saying this happens in every case with domestic dog packs or pairs but it's what's happening here. true , wolves will kill a weak or injured member, same with dogs. It (might) have been top dog, but the younger knows that the older dog ill, so it will kill it to become the new top dog, if i was you paul i would keep a eye on the younger dog, or you end up with just 1 dog!! Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Any member of a pack that is ill or weak will be killed by other pack members. They're a liability to the welfare of the pack. Hounds do it all the time. I'm not saying this happens in every case with domestic dog packs or pairs but it's what's happening here. true , wolves will kill a weak or injured member, same with dogs. It (might) have been top dog, but the younger knows that the older dog ill, so it will kill it to become the new top dog, if i was you paul i would keep a eye on the younger dog, or you end up with just 1 dog!! the point is ray one knows the other has something wrong with him, that may yet turn out to be terminal, the young dog is already top dog and has been for a few years so its not a hierarchy struggle. i have been up all night trying to keep the old dog quiet as his whining is making the younger dog bark, so at 4am this morning i have had no choice but to put them back together. Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 What's wrong with the older dog? Quote Link to post
monkey*hanger 16 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 wolves and foxes kill one of there pack when they sense an illness or weakening due to age or disease when they sense this it causes them to atack even if the ill dog has previously for years been the boss iv seen this on an animal documentry before and they didnt know why it was they acted in this way Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 What's wrong with the older dog? the vet thinks it could be bone cancer in his shoulder but she gave him meloxicam injection and i have oral meloxicam to give him over the weekend, she will confirm next week with an x ray if he shows no improvement by then. Quote Link to post
bill20 131 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yes seen it several times in multi dog households/kennels Paulus. Had it once with my own dogs, weakness is a chink in the armour. Natures cruel and dogs are no exception. Another strange one is when a dog has a seizure the other dogs can often turn on it and kill it, it happens. Iv heard of this befor my father told me of this happerning once and if you look at a bitch with pups if ones poorly she will push it aside away from the rest just had this with my bitch pup ended up dieing dogs sense shit we carnt but i hope your dog gets well mate Quote Link to post
Westy76 546 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yes seen it several times in multi dog households/kennels Paulus. Had it once with my own dogs, weakness is a chink in the armour. Natures cruel and dogs are no exception. Another strange one is when a dog has a seizure the other dogs can often turn on it and kill it, it happens. See this the other week when my birds dog had a eppy fit at my place luckily he was next to us but mine made to go for him straight away and hers were following in nothing happened as it was dealt with quickly but when he's had them at hers her others do nothing? 1 Quote Link to post
riohog 5,939 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 yes they know , its not unknown for them to attack and kill the weeker dog Quote Link to post
kranky 507 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 wolves and foxes kill one of there pack when they sense an illness or weakening due to age or disease when they sense this it causes them to atack even if the ill dog has previously for years been the boss iv seen this on an animal documentry before and they didnt know why it was they acted in this way In pack environments a weak, ill, injured or diseased dog is a threat to the rest of the pack and will be killed to remove that threat. I've never heard of foxes doing it though, but they're not pack animals. 1 Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Of course wolf packs have a alpha male and female they are the only two in the pack to breed, the others go along with this Untill they sense one of the 2 are injured sick and then kill it to take over. That's why people who keep wolfs, wolf high breeds can keep them for years then one day they sense your sick weak they can take you, and they do! Quote Link to post
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