alun1960 234 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Please help educate as many people as possible about the facts and in this day and age we are able to have a big influence on the media machine!!!Over the next few weeks, the public are going to hear stories in the media about 'greedy, ungrateful, lazy firefighters' that want to strike over their 'gold plated, expens...ive to the tax-payer, generous pensions' that are 'given' to them by the government, and that our pensions are the 'best around'.The facts are these, I pay 14% into my pension, £400 per month (feel free to compare that to what any of you pay). The Gov are changing my pension and are going to make me work an EXTRA 10years to receive a LOWER pension, making me work until I'm 60. Over that 10years ill pay an EXTRA £45,000 into MY pension, and receive less per year than I would of under the current scheme! If I'm lucky to live until I'm then this change will cost me PERSONALLY over £100,000!Would you want a 60year old male or female firefighter coming into your home to rescue you and yourfamily?On top of this, they are bringing in a new scheme, that if I don't meet their fitness standards at 50-60, they can dismiss me and keep ALL my pension until I'm 67. So the 40odd years of paying £400 a month into the scheme, they would keep! The Gov themselves had an independent review done that found it would be highly unlikely for FFs to carry out the duties or meet the fitness standards at age 60. They are now ignoring their own review!It's true that under my current scheme I retire at 50 having worked 30 years. They might seem early to many people, but it's because I pay in the 14% and accumulate enough money to be able to retire at an earlier age. Maybe its a small perk for working Christmas Days, family Birthdays, Weekends and Evenings, and New Years etc for the 30 years as well as putting the publics safety before my own.This Government are obsessed with tearing the public sector apart, this is the start. Mark my words that in a few years there will be talk of privatising the Fire Brigade and other public services. A way for the Government to make money off people's misery.Firefighters need support, please ignore the medias spin on the facts. Firefighters DO NOT want to strike. But the Gov have us against the wall and are unwilling to listen to our concerns 19 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pegleg33 134 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 So what's your second job? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 am i correct that you earn over 34k a year why should your pension terms and conditions be any different to a soldier or anyone else who puts themselves in harms way for our country. i have no idea what there pensions are now, but i would hazard a guess not that generous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithie 2,431 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 i think everybody should have to work until there 67 as i have to. fire men should do the job until not fit to then get a job selling veg or factory work etc like the rest of the population.. dont think im not greatfull for the job you do as i am but you chose it to save lives i hope and not just for good pay and short working life.. just find another job if your not happy with pay and hours etc thats what i must do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 am i correct that you earn over 34k a year why should your pension terms and conditions be any different to a soldier or anyone else who puts themselves in harms way for our country. i have no idea what there pensions are now, but i would hazard a guess not that generous The army should be paid the same, not the other way around mate.. If you give your working life putting your life of the line in any form you should be suitably rewarded by your country in your retirement IMO.. It's like the Tories saying they were going to 'make work pay' to get people off benefit.. In my eyes that means making employers pay a wage you actually can live on, their version of it was to cut benefits so people couldn't live on them.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,190 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You risk your lives and have lost colleagues I think the fire fighters deserve every penny. I don't know any firefighters so my opinion isn't based on any bias. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wxm 1,638 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 is it not a life style choice ??? is it not their decision to work at what ever they want to work at ??? they know the risks / the wages / the hours so why moan about it when they do the role they have chosen ??? :hmm: 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
budharley 945 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) Who says he has lost colleagues Edited September 1, 2013 by budharley Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,323 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 is it not a life style choice ??? is it not their decision to work at what ever they want to work at ??? they know the risks / the wages / the hours so why moan about it when they do the role they have chosen ??? :hmm: Spot on pal. Makes me cringe when people say soldiers should be paid footballers wages etc. They know how much the pay is if they are not happy with it choose another career. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 If the army pension was half as good as a firemans I would be chuffed to fukc ......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 is it not a life style choice ??? is it not their decision to work at what ever they want to work at ??? they know the risks / the wages / the hours so why moan about it when they do the role they have chosen ??? :hmm: You're right.. Soldier, fireman, etc, they all chose to do what they do so why should they get treated any different from a road sweeper or a toilet cleaner eh? This country used to be all about rewarding bravery, it was one of the things that put the great in Great Britian.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 If the army pension was half as good as a firemans I would be chuffed to fukc .........it should at least be on a par mate, but that ain't the fault of the firemen is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,323 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 is it not a life style choice ??? is it not their decision to work at what ever they want to work at ??? they know the risks / the wages / the hours so why moan about it when they do the role they have chosen ??? :hmm: You're right.. Soldier, fireman, etc, they all chose to do what they do so why should they get treated any different from a road sweeper or a toilet cleaner eh? This country used to be all about rewarding bravery, it was one of the things that put the great in Great Britian.. I always thought it was the jocks who put "great" into great britian? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 is it not a life style choice ??? is it not their decision to work at what ever they want to work at ??? they know the risks / the wages / the hours so why moan about it when they do the role they have chosen ??? :hmm: You're right.. Soldier, fireman, etc, they all chose to do what they do so why should they get treated any different from a road sweeper or a toilet cleaner eh? This country used to be all about rewarding bravery, it was one of the things that put the great in Great Britian.. I always thought it was the jocks who put "great" into great britian? You really have got a thing for Lab ain't you mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,323 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 is it not a life style choice ??? is it not their decision to work at what ever they want to work at ??? they know the risks / the wages / the hours so why moan about it when they do the role they have chosen ??? :hmm: You're right.. Soldier, fireman, etc, they all chose to do what they do so why should they get treated any different from a road sweeper or a toilet cleaner eh? This country used to be all about rewarding bravery, it was one of the things that put the great in Great Britian.. I always thought it was the jocks who put "great" into great britian? You really have got a thing for Lab ain't you mate? ssssshhhhhhhh don't tell him Mal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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