Hancock Knockers,

[morton 5,367]

 

 

supermarkets sell more food than corner shops does that make them food pedlars or service providers

Obviously youve never frequented a corner shop in Bradford,Hancock is the Pakistani version of Ken Morrison.

 

if im honest ive seen both good and bad from his stock but one thing i will say good or bad they have all been 100% what they were advertised as, something thats not to common these days

 

Ive yet to see one of his/or her adverts saying Collie/Cur lurchers,no working background whatsoever,money back guarantee.Coming from Birmingham its maybe a bit of advertising poetry learnt from the Ethnic community thereabouts

[Tiercel 6,986]

I suppose the proof of the pudding so to speak would be how many of Hancocks dogs end up on the merry-go-round or in pounds. Out all the Hancock dislikers for the way he earns his living, not one has given any proof that a higher proportion of dogs in pounds and on the merry-go-round are from his kennels.

 

I just cannot understand this holier-than-though attitude regarding him.

 

A few facts.

 

The man knows the pedigree of each and every dog.

 

He is 100% honest in his dealings.

 

People who have his dogs often go back for more.

 

He sells his pups at a fair price.

 

People forget that lurcher to lurcher breeding off of good working stock, all started with a half cross. Does not matter if it was collie or bull, if you have a working line of collies and the speed of a greyhound you mix them up and see what you get. No one is saying that all his dogs make good workers there are so many factors that can influence that. But it does seem that in the right hands a high proportion of them do. It does seem as if the Hancock dogs pass on their genes as well, as Snipe is half Hancock he is a quality dog and he has produced some quality pups if the reports are anything to go by.

 

TC

[Ideation 8,216]

I suppose the proof of the pudding so to speak would be how many of Hancocks dogs end up on the merry-go-round or in pounds. Out all the Hancock dislikers for the way he earns his living, not one has given any proof that a higher proportion of dogs in pounds and on the merry-go-round are from his kennels.

 

I just cannot understand this holier-than-though attitude regarding him.

 

A few facts.

 

The man knows the pedigree of each and every dog.

 

He is 100% honest in his dealings.

 

People who have his dogs often go back for more.

 

He sells his pups at a fair price.

 

People forget that lurcher to lurcher breeding off of good working stock, all started with a half cross. Does not matter if it was collie or bull, if you have a working line of collies and the speed of a greyhound you mix them up and see what you get. No one is saying that all his dogs make good workers there are so many factors that can influence that. But it does seem that in the right hands a high proportion of them do. It does seem as if the Hancock dogs pass on their genes as well, as Snipe is half Hancock he is a quality dog and he has produced some quality pups if the reports are anything to go by.

 

TC

 

I think some peoples only dislike. . . . . is simply not wishing to buy a pup from a puppy farm that always has pups available. And it is their 'right' to feel that way.

 

Also, I think that in the right hands, a very high percentage of collie x greys, whoever bred them, will kill rabbits for you.

 

It's each to their own.

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

I suppose the proof of the pudding so to speak would be how many of Hancocks dogs end up on the merry-go-round or in pounds. Out all the Hancock dislikers for the way he earns his living, not one has given any proof that a higher proportion of dogs in pounds and on the merry-go-round are from his kennels.

 

I just cannot understand this holier-than-though attitude regarding him.

 

A few facts.

 

The man knows the pedigree of each and every dog.

 

He is 100% honest in his dealings.

 

People who have his dogs often go back for more.

 

He sells his pups at a fair price.

 

People forget that lurcher to lurcher breeding off of good working stock, all started with a half cross. Does not matter if it was collie or bull, if you have a working line of collies and the speed of a greyhound you mix them up and see what you get. No one is saying that all his dogs make good workers there are so many factors that can influence that. But it does seem that in the right hands a high proportion of them do. It does seem as if the Hancock dogs pass on their genes as well, as Snipe is half Hancock he is a quality dog and he has produced some quality pups if the reports are anything to go by.

 

TC

 

I think some peoples only dislike. . . . . is simply not wishing to buy a pup from a puppy farm that always has pups available. And it is their 'right' to feel that way.

 

Also, I think that in the right hands, a very high percentage of collie x greys, whoever bred them, will kill rabbits for you.

 

It's each to their own.

 

I can respect that. What I cannot understand though is when people say he will sell to anyone as if others who breed do not. Some are conscientious in who they sell too, most are not a trawl through pre-loved will show that.

 

With all due respect to the conscientious ones they cannot guarentee that every pup they sell will have a long and happy life be it lying infront of the fire or working. But at least they try and ensure that they will have.

 

How many people treat their dogs as livestock, they are kept in a kennel, walked, fed then once the season is coming near they are got fit to do a job. No different to fattening a bullock or lamb for slaughter. Others treat them different they are part of the family, yes they get used and once their working life is over ( if they make old bones) they are retired to a life of luxury.

 

The point is, we use the dogs as livestock, yet object to someone breeding and selling them as livestock?

 

TC

Edited June 9, 2013 by tiercel

[Polkey 70]

I have recently had a pup of them and found them great to deal with, kennels were spotless. I dealt mainly with Sally who could talk the back legs of a donkey and thought that David was a nice old boy who loved his dogs, i liked them. Im over the moon with my pup and have no probs lining his pocket as I got what I was looking for same as every one else that goes to him. Will the pup turn out a good grafter? Time will tell, the raw ingredients are there and im looking forward to see how we do together.

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

I have been in Hancock's company in the past when he's taken a phone call and advised a potential client that perhaps his dogs ain't what they are looking for...probably can't get much fairer and straighter than that...

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

My last collie cross was from his yard, he wouldn't let me take the pup I had picked because it had been wormed and had a bad reaction...sounded like a good thing to me.

[markja 51]

i assume people keep going back to hancocks because you get what you ask for simples.as for good and bad dogs well there in every cross

[Moorman 1 1,322]

You pay your money and get what you pay for, he's a very honest bloke.As has already been said if you buy a first cross the collie is from working stock and the greyhound is from racing stock what else matters.If you buy a GSD cross greyhound what work should the GSD have done??There used to be a similar set up for Bedlington crosses,Heartbreak Fell kennels I don't think they received the stick that old Hancock gets.He has produced some excellent dogs over the years,I sometimes think that they are more intelligent than the person on the other end of the lead,hence the failures.You only get out what you put in.

[beast 1,884]

the source of any puppy or adult dog for that metter is a question for your own conscience, just as how you keep it and what you use it for. i've been to hancocks several times over the years for a visit if i was in the area, and although i wasnt buying he still made the time to have a chat and was polite and welcoming.

 

one thing which has struck me is that over the last few years the place certainly is cleaner 9on one visit about 12 years ago i was almost overcome by the smell of ammonia in some of the pens) and that fewer litters are being bred, which means not many pups on death row. i think his daughter is doing a lot more now and has made a big difference, for example the older pups are no longer left to rot in death row but are lead broken and taken out to socialise with visitors and with the big dogs.

 

you pays yer money and yer takes yer choice, im lucky that i can usually get a pup from close friends who breed a type i like; if i didnt have this option then i would probably take a punt on a hancock. after all, just because a pup isnt bred by a commercial dealer there is no guarantee it is well reared and i have seen some absolutely horrific litters bred "for my own use"

Edited June 9, 2013 by beast

[blackmaggie 3,375]

I have recently had a pup of them and found them great to deal with, kennels were spotless. I dealt mainly with Sally who could talk the back legs of a donkey and thought that David was a nice old boy who loved his dogs, i liked them. Im over the moon with my pup and have no probs lining his pocket as I got what I was looking for same as every one else that goes to him. Will the pup turn out a good grafter? Time will tell, the raw ingredients are there and im looking forward to see how we do together.

polkey his kennels were not clean when i seen them i only went to have a look at a pup with a mate and found the conditions dirty and if it was me buying i would of walked out of there right away yes david is a nice man but i wont line his pockets as there is better collie xs out there that have seen work but you do get what you ask for and the pups are kept better than some litters that ive seen its up to the buyer at the end of the day but its not for me

[sikastag_1 689]

Beast what do you mean older pups ondeath row? Sounds like he kept pups in shit conditions and his daughter has a bit more heart. Everybody saying aw he was nice to me when I went, go and look at a car tomorrow in Arnold clarks the dealer will be nice to you or go and look at a new shotgun in the gunshop hel be nice to you aswell. I've looked on hancocks website and seen nice pups when I couldn't find a collie grey pup, but still my morals came first.

[chewton 7]

I've never been to their kennels but my brother has a couple of his dogs. I don't like the idea of puppy farming but have to say my brother stays in touch with them and they always give him their time even though he's not buying which is a decent thing IMO. I also think that collie ways do not suit everyone and it isn't hard to feck up a collie blooded dog if you don't get them.

[Ideation 8,216]

Beast what do you mean older pups ondeath row? Sounds like he kept pups in shit conditions and his daughter has a bit more heart. Everybody saying aw he was nice to me when I went, go and look at a car tomorrow in Arnold clarks the dealer will be nice to you or go and look at a new shotgun in the gunshop hel be nice to you aswell. I've looked on hancocks website and seen nice pups when I couldn't find a collie grey pup, but still my morals came first.

 

Pups that didn't sell got the bullet i think, now not so much, or at all. Just what I heard.

[sikastag_1 689]

That makes him worse in my book, that pup didn't sell pts while I churn out more, shame there's so many working lurcher men supporting him, my mind was already made up on him but he's just got worse. Everyone's entitled to spend their money on what they want and everyone's entitled to their own opinion but I can't see why any man would support it I know one thing, no one in the company I keep would give him a second of their day never mind a penny