The God Delusion

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

 

 

 

 

a great mind no doubt , and i agree with him re god , but fk me he is aggressive in his belief , the way he belittles anyone who believes or is undecided is a bit full on for me ,there doesnt seem to e any ,live and live ,you agree with him or your a dangerous idiot.

 

Ironically, that's how the church is towards non-believers.

However, unlike the Church, he can offer explanations of why he believes he is right ! All they have is 'because the Bible says so'.

And let's be honest, most religious types these days are dangerous idiots !

Blackbriar, who or what are you referring to as "the church" you are not all that specific. . and let me tell you, if you believe in the theory of evolution your just as religious as the chapel folk. . You have faith in that which have not seen and you live your life according (by and large) to what you believe. . Be under no illusion, we are all religious. . Some believe in God some don't, some go to chapel and others don't. . Religion is a system and pattern of thought, which we all have. No one believes in nothing.

Okay, for "the Church" , let's read "organised religion".

You are correct, I try to live my life according to what I believe, and I happen to believe the Theory of Evolution to be true - but it does not follow one is affected by the other.

 

Most religious believers consider whether their actions are in accordance with their beliefs, some to the most detailed degree. Unless it comes up in books, TV, discussion (or internet forums for that matter) I don't give evolution a second thought - Icertainly don't live my life by it.

Fair shout. . So would it be fair to say that you are a casual believer in the theory and haven't given a great deal of attention to whether it really does explain the origin of species or whether its the biggest fallacy of them all.

 

The theory of evolution is a dangerous one and more people have been killed in its name than the whole of religion put together. . For example, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot. . All Darwinian evolutionists, who used the theory to promote there believed right to exterminate the "weaker race" . .

 

Or take the story of Oto Benga, the African pigmy. . Hunters killed his wife and kids and then he was shipped him off to America and put in a zoo's monkey house as an example of evolution!! The poor fecker ended up killing himself!

[Paid 935]

Thats a bold statement, that Darwin's theory has killed more than religion.

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

Thats a bold statement, that Darwin's theory has killed more than religion.

 

And it's a well researched one. . Do your home work, perhaps you'll be enlightened to the fact that media and popular opinion has led you down the garden path. . .

[Paid 935]

so the theory is 159 years old, and wars have been fought over religion for maybe 4000 years ?

[the stig 15]

the man knows his stuff

Edited May 12, 2013 by the stig

[Paid 935]

I don't believe you.

and will now write you off as a kook.

[Astanley 11,632]

because some crackpots have used the theory of evolution to suit their own brand of insanity , doesnt make t wrong ,after all history has taught us that interpreting our idea of a supreme being differently from our neighbours can result in the odd spot of unpleasantness.

[Ratreeper 441]

 

 

 

 

 

a great mind no doubt , and i agree with him re god , but fk me he is aggressive in his belief , the way he belittles anyone who believes or is undecided is a bit full on for me ,there doesnt seem to e any ,live and live ,you agree with him or your a dangerous idiot.

Ironically, that's how the church is towards non-believers.

However, unlike the Church, he can offer explanations of why he believes he is right ! All they have is 'because the Bible says so'.

And let's be honest, most religious types these days are dangerous idiots !

Blackbriar, who or what are you referring to as "the church" you are not all that specific. . and let me tell you, if you believe in the theory of evolution your just as religious as the chapel folk. . You have faith in that which have not seen and you live your life according (by and large) to what you believe. . Be under no illusion, we are all religious. . Some believe in God some don't, some go to chapel and others don't. . Religion is a system and pattern of thought, which we all have. No one believes in nothing.

Okay, for "the Church" , let's read "organised religion".

You are correct, I try to live my life according to what I believe, and I happen to believe the Theory of Evolution to be true - but it does not follow one is affected by the other.

 

Most religious believers consider whether their actions are in accordance with their beliefs, some to the most detailed degree. Unless it comes up in books, TV, discussion (or internet forums for that matter) I don't give evolution a second thought - Icertainly don't live my life by it.

Fair shout. . So would it be fair to say that you are a casual believer in the theory and haven't given a great deal of attention to whether it really does explain the origin of species or whether its the biggest fallacy of them all.

 

The theory of evolution is a dangerous one and more people have been killed in its name than the whole of religion put together. . For example, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot. . All Darwinian evolutionists, who used the theory to promote there believed right to exterminate the "weaker race" . .

 

Or take the story of Oto Benga, the African pigmy. . Hunters killed his wife and kids and then he was shipped him off to America and put in a zoo's monkey house as an example of evolution!! The poor fecker ended up killing himself!

 

 

Evolution is fact mate, if you deny evolution you look as uneducated as denying the Earth goes round the Sun. If you think it is 'just a theory' then again you just show your ignorance to what theory means in science, for example the theory of gravity...

 

But you are even further down the rabbit hole when you say evolution has accounted for more war than religion, that is blatantly untrue. Please show how evolution had anything to do with any of the policies you mention, compared to the scriptures in the bible where God ordered the racial genocides of entire nations, how it justifies slavery (and put to good effect) and I could go on for a while showing the evil of the Bible. However you are really trying to say evolution causes tribal prejudice, which again is obviously and childishly untrue if you look at history.

 

That aside your argument wouldn't mean evolution isn't fact, just not very nice and you would still have mountains of evidence to undo. Whereas the Bible and creationism falls down at the first hurdle. 'God created time' LOL, I suppose 'God did it' can be twisted to get out of every contradiction too, which means you don't have an argument as it is unfalsifiable. For example it is impossible to prove a negative, you cannot prove God doesn't exist more than any other God myth or otherwise.

 

So if you carry on worshipping the wrong God, my God will boil you in bolognese source forever so for the sake of your afterlife check the real facts and bow down to his noodly master! You cannot prove he isn't there and therefore he is, bitch

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

There you are stig, your representing a great many people there "listening to a comedian" on matters of importance.

 

You wouldn't Paid, it goes against years of your belief in something that you have not tested. . Look for yourself, you'll see.

Write me off ? Haha, on what basis? Never mind. .

 

And that's my point buttercup, don't discount something just because a few crackpots have done it a mis justice. . I discount evolution on scientific level (my perception of it)

 

Rat, I can't get past your second paragraph mate, I said "more people have been killed in the name of evolution than all religion put together" I said nothing of wars, so if you're gonna twist my own text so early on, I'll discount you as a kook at the start.

 

The thousands of years of religious arguments and killings look like mere squabbles compared to last 150 years of mass genocides. . There are more people living today than have ever died.

 

I don't believe in macro evolution because I think it is unscientific. . As I've said before, science can be tested, observed and repeated time and again, evolution cannot and therefore shouldn't be called scientific. . If I could see any evidence that we evolved from nothing, I would believe it. . We don't, hence evolutionists have as much faith as clergy.

[flinn 47]

 

 

 

 

 

a great mind no doubt , and i agree with him re god , but fk me he is aggressive in his belief , the way he belittles anyone who believes or is undecided is a bit full on for me ,there doesnt seem to e any ,live and live ,you agree with him or your a dangerous idiot.

Ironically, that's how the church is towards non-believers.

However, unlike the Church, he can offer explanations of why he believes he is right ! All they have is 'because the Bible says so'.

And let's be honest, most religious types these days are dangerous idiots !

Blackbriar, who or what are you referring to as "the church" you are not all that specific. . and let me tell you, if you believe in the theory of evolution your just as religious as the chapel folk. . You have faith in that which have not seen and you live your life according (by and large) to what you believe. . Be under no illusion, we are all religious. . Some believe in God some don't, some go to chapel and others don't. . Religion is a system and pattern of thought, which we all have. No one believes in nothing.

Okay, for "the Church" , let's read "organised religion".

You are correct, I try to live my life according to what I believe, and I happen to believe the Theory of Evolution to be true - but it does not follow one is affected by the other.

 

Most religious believers consider whether their actions are in accordance with their beliefs, some to the most detailed degree. Unless it comes up in books, TV, discussion (or internet forums for that matter) I don't give evolution a second thought - Icertainly don't live my life by it.

Fair shout. . So would it be fair to say that you are a casual believer in the theory and haven't given a great deal of attention to whether it really does explain the origin of species or whether its the biggest fallacy of them all.

 

The theory of evolution is a dangerous one and more people have been killed in its name than the whole of religion put together. . For example, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot. . All Darwinian evolutionists, who used the theory to promote there believed right to exterminate the "weaker race" . .

 

Or take the story of Oto Benga, the African pigmy. . Hunters killed his wife and kids and then he was shipped him off to America and put in a zoo's monkey house as an example of evolution!! The poor fecker ended up killing himself!

 

Agreed, think this quote rounds it up for me.

 

While Marx and Stalin saw the “struggle for existence” as between classes, Hitler saw it as between races, and sought to evolve a “master race.” As German philosopher Erich Fromm observed, “If Hitler believed in anything at all, then it was in the laws of evolution which justified and sanctified his actions and especially his cruelties.” Sir Arthur Keith, president of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, wrote in the 1940s: “The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.” In his demented way, Hitler was fulfilling this prediction Darwin made in his book, “The Descent of Man”:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. … The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian [Aborigine] and the gorilla.

This is not in any way to imply that today’s evolutionists are racists; and certainly, Hitler’s atrocities would have revolted Charles Darwin. But there is no denying that the Darwinist worldview — which sees man as an animal and God as an irrelevancy — has had a profoundly negative social impact. Will Durant, author of “The Story of Civilization,” was one of the preeminent historians of our time. “By offering evolution in place of God as a cause of history,” he opined shortly before his death, “Darwin removed the theological basis of the moral code of Christendom. And the moral code that has no fear of God is very shaky. That’s the condition we are in.”

[walshie 2,804]

Might I refer to my original post - the bit where i said "Without getting into the ins and outs of who's right or wrong"?

 

I am reading the book and I am genuinely interested in what Dawkins has to say on the subject. I am interested in facts, not made up statements.

 

The statement that more people have been killed in the name of evolution than in the name of religion is absolutely laughable. Asking us to "do our homework" on the subject would presumably entail us reading some more patronizing twaddle written by someone so blinkered by his religion that actual facts can be put to one side in order to make their "arguments" seem more plausible.

 

The worst thing about the whole debate is atheists don't continually try to foist their opinions on believers, yet for thousands of years believers have tried to impose their religion on everyone else. By force most of the time.

 

Sorry, but I can only believe in hard facts. Something someone may or may not have written all that time ago has no more meaning to me in the real world than Hans Christian Anderson stories.

[paulus 26]

Might I refer to my original post - the bit where i said "Without getting into the ins and outs of who's right or wrong"?

 

I am reading the book and I am genuinely interested in what Dawkins has to say on the subject. I am interested in facts, not made up statements.

 

The statement that more people have been killed in the name of evolution than in the name of religion is absolutely laughable. Asking us to "do our homework" on the subject would presumably entail us reading some more patronizing twaddle written by someone so blinkered by his religion that actual facts can be put to one side in order to make their "arguments" seem more plausible.

 

The worst thing about the whole debate is atheists don't continually try to foist their opinions on believers, yet for thousands of years believers have tried to impose their religion on everyone else. By force most of the time.

 

Sorry, but I can only believe in hard facts. Something someone may or may not have written all that time ago has no more meaning to me in the real world than Hans Christian Anderson stories.

i will stick with my bananas :laugh:

 

Where evolution baffles me is, take crocodiles they've been around since the prehistoric period with little or no evolution, If we evolved from apes then why are there still apes? Why are there still single cell organisms and why are bananas still yellow?

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a great mind no doubt , and i agree with him re god , but fk me he is aggressive in his belief , the way he belittles anyone who believes or is undecided is a bit full on for me ,there doesnt seem to e any ,live and live ,you agree with him or your a dangerous idiot.

Ironically, that's how the church is towards non-believers.

However, unlike the Church, he can offer explanations of why he believes he is right ! All they have is 'because the Bible says so'.

And let's be honest, most religious types these days are dangerous idiots !

Blackbriar, who or what are you referring to as "the church" you are not all that specific. . and let me tell you, if you believe in the theory of evolution your just as religious as the chapel folk. . You have faith in that which have not seen and you live your life according (by and large) to what you believe. . Be under no illusion, we are all religious. . Some believe in God some don't, some go to chapel and others don't. . Religion is a system and pattern of thought, which we all have. No one believes in nothing.

Okay, for "the Church" , let's read "organised religion".

You are correct, I try to live my life according to what I believe, and I happen to believe the Theory of Evolution to be true - but it does not follow one is affected by the other.

 

Most religious believers consider whether their actions are in accordance with their beliefs, some to the most detailed degree. Unless it comes up in books, TV, discussion (or internet forums for that matter) I don't give evolution a second thought - Icertainly don't live my life by it.

Fair shout. . So would it be fair to say that you are a casual believer in the theory and haven't given a great deal of attention to whether it really does explain the origin of species or whether its the biggest fallacy of them all.

 

The theory of evolution is a dangerous one and more people have been killed in its name than the whole of religion put together. . For example, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot. . All Darwinian evolutionists, who used the theory to promote there believed right to exterminate the "weaker race" . .

 

Or take the story of Oto Benga, the African pigmy. . Hunters killed his wife and kids and then he was shipped him off to America and put in a zoo's monkey house as an example of evolution!! The poor fecker ended up killing himself!

 

Agreed, think this quote rounds it up for me.

 

While Marx and Stalin saw the “struggle for existence” as between classes, Hitler saw it as between races, and sought to evolve a “master race.” As German philosopher Erich Fromm observed, “If Hitler believed in anything at all, then it was in the laws of evolution which justified and sanctified his actions and especially his cruelties.” Sir Arthur Keith, president of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, wrote in the 1940s: “The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.” In his demented way, Hitler was fulfilling this prediction Darwin made in his book, “The Descent of Man”:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. … The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian [Aborigine] and the gorilla.

This is not in any way to imply that today’s evolutionists are racists; and certainly, Hitler’s atrocities would have revolted Charles Darwin. But there is no denying that the Darwinist worldview — which sees man as an animal and God as an irrelevancy — has had a profoundly negative social impact. Will Durant, author of “The Story of Civilization,” was one of the preeminent historians of our time. “By offering evolution in place of God as a cause of history,” he opined shortly before his death, “Darwin removed the theological basis of the moral code of Christendom. And the moral code that has no fear of God is very shaky. That’s the condition we are in.”

 

what a load of bollox hitler didn't murder jews & gypsies for any other reason than

other than he was a horrible racist, power hungry,murdering cnut & would use any

excuse to justify his actions it's called propaganda, & this moral code of chistendom

would that be the same moral code that used to torture & murder people in the most

horrible ways as heretics & witches simply because they didn't live as christian or

that wiped out entire tribes across the americas in their persute of gold & imposing

their beliefs on others

[littlefish 596]

Keep your eyes, ears and above all your MIND open..............think your own thoughts and speak your own words......

[Blackbriar 8,569]

 

 

 

 

 

a great mind no doubt , and i agree with him re god , but fk me he is aggressive in his belief , the way he belittles anyone who believes or is undecided is a bit full on for me ,there doesnt seem to e any ,live and live ,you agree with him or your a dangerous idiot.

Ironically, that's how the church is towards non-believers.

However, unlike the Church, he can offer explanations of why he believes he is right ! All they have is 'because the Bible says so'.

And let's be honest, most religious types these days are dangerous idiots !

Blackbriar, who or what are you referring to as "the church" you are not all that specific. . and let me tell you, if you believe in the theory of evolution your just as religious as the chapel folk. . You have faith in that which have not seen and you live your life according (by and large) to what you believe. . Be under no illusion, we are all religious. . Some believe in God some don't, some go to chapel and others don't. . Religion is a system and pattern of thought, which we all have. No one believes in nothing.

Okay, for "the Church" , let's read "organised religion".

You are correct, I try to live my life according to what I believe, and I happen to believe the Theory of Evolution to be true - but it does not follow one is affected by the other.

 

Most religious believers consider whether their actions are in accordance with their beliefs, some to the most detailed degree. Unless it comes up in books, TV, discussion (or internet forums for that matter) I don't give evolution a second thought - Icertainly don't live my life by it.

Fair shout. . So would it be fair to say that you are a casual believer in the theory and haven't given a great deal of attention to whether it really does explain the origin of species or whether its the biggest fallacy of them all.

 

The theory of evolution is a dangerous one and more people have been killed in its name than the whole of religion put together. . For example, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot. . All Darwinian evolutionists, who used the theory to promote there believed right to exterminate the "weaker race" . .

 

Or take the story of Oto Benga, the African pigmy. . Hunters killed his wife and kids and then he was shipped him off to America and put in a zoo's monkey house as an example of evolution!! The poor fecker ended up killing himself!

 

Whoever believes in any theory, or even if the theory is mis-used, has no bearing on whether is is true or not ! The men you mention were also atheists - does that mean all atheists are murderous tyrants ? Of course not and it is ridiculous to imply it !

Edited May 12, 2013 by Blackbriar