Thatcher Dies

[Malt 379]

 

Wasn't aimed at you personally mate. I know this is a thread about Maggie (God Bless Her). I was just pointing out she was not THE worst thing this country has seen or will see.

 

Many, many people will disagree with you there mate..

[mushroom 12,439]

 

I'm no f*****g fan of the governments that came after her either Walshie, but this is a thread about Maggie..

 

Only people calling for the scrapping Trident are the lib Dems BTW, can't really recall any government considering otherwise..

 

The current labour lot want to look at 'alternatives', which lets face it means anything you can strap a warhead to that's cheaper. It's a dangerous game to play. There are a lot of options but really we can't budge from what we have so any talk of 'other options' to me is just a sly way of tricking people into effectively getting rid.

Scrap Trident, back Immigrant suicide bombers they're much cheaper!! Two birds one stone an all that

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

Wasn't aimed at you personally mate. I know this is a thread about Maggie (God Bless Her). I was just pointing out she was not THE worst thing this country has seen or will see.

 

Many, many people will disagree with you there mate..

You're right Malt. I should have qualified my statement with "In my opinion".

[Malt 379]

 

I'm no f*****g fan of the governments that came after her either Walshie, but this is a thread about Maggie..

Only people calling for the scrapping Trident are the lib Dems BTW, can't really recall any government considering otherwise..

The current labour lot want to look at 'alternatives', which lets face it means anything you can strap a warhead to that's cheaper. It's a dangerous game to play. There are a lot of options but really we can't budge from what we have so any talk of 'other options' to me is just a sly way of tricking people into effectively getting rid.

In other words they'd talk and commit to studies of effectiveness, sit down and then decide to carry on as normal, because their ain't no effective alternative! Same as they did last time they were in power. They've all got to publicly look as if they're considering things, but nothing is as effective as a constant at sea deterrent IMO..

[Born Hunter 17,656]

 

 

I'm no f*****g fan of the governments that came after her either Walshie, but this is a thread about Maggie..

Only people calling for the scrapping Trident are the lib Dems BTW, can't really recall any government considering otherwise..

The current labour lot want to look at 'alternatives', which lets face it means anything you can strap a warhead to that's cheaper. It's a dangerous game to play. There are a lot of options but really we can't budge from what we have so any talk of 'other options' to me is just a sly way of tricking people into effectively getting rid.

In other words they'd talk and commit to studies of effectiveness, sit down and then decide to carry on as normal, because their ain't no effective alternative! Same as they did last time they were in power. They've all got to publicly look as if they're considering things, but nothing is as effective as a constant at sea deterrent IMO..

 

I don't trust them to come to that conclusion this time though Malt, what with all this money saving. I would hazzard a guess (as with many other defense projects) they would make a necessary risk assesment, then base a decision % on cost rather than 100% on effectiveness to save money. I just don't fecking trust em! modern polititions negotiation on things like this scares me. Worryingly I could see Labour cutting back to a non 24/7 SSBN deterent or even worse the much cheaper option of nuclear armed F-35s.

[pritch 335]

 

 

 

 

 

Thatcher wanted the pits closed, why? One thing I've never understood about all this, if there's so much coal why isn't someone mining it now?

They are mining it, did you it read that post that Paulus cross posted from Facebook? There is 300 years worth of the purest anthracite in the ground in my little area of Wales alone, and that's nothing compared to the S Wales valleys.. We were never a major coal producing region though, and our industry was gone long before Thatcher was even born. There are numerous theories as to why they closed the mines.. Spite, revenge, saving the coal until we run out of oil and are technologically advanced enough to use it to produce clean energy, but my personal view is that they were closed as a method of control to stop people standing up against the government in an organised protest movement. With the closure of the mines and other heavy industries, the working class people lost a massive rallying point that could be used to stand up against tyranny. They could no longer hold the government to account by withdrawing their labour. Think what damage a very organised and angry group of a few hundred thousand could do if they decided to descend on London en masse.. You saw with the riots a few years back what a few thousand (idiots) could do with a few messages sent to each other on Facebook, imagine what could have happened with 2 - 300,000 or more angry people with an axe to grind..

 

Thanks Malt.

 

Spite and revenge for what? I know why I believe she did it. But what is being claimed is that she came into power wanting an allegedly prosperous industry scrapped? That makes no sense to me.

 

I understand the fear the gov' had of the unions, but I think that's where we differ. I don't believe they deserved that power, it's dangerous. And imo Thatcher followed that belief, she knew they had to be crushed at any cost. The lesser of two evils.

 

As an aside, it's interesting to see what comes of our unconventional natural gas reserves (shale gas etc). The UK could be on the brink of a natural gas boom. The economy fecking needs it and the gov' want it.

why doe's it make no sense it's about power, in the unions people had power they vote

to strike. so how can the masses having power be wrong. now your forced to take any

shit they desire to hand out & the hunting bill is a prime example nobody took any action,

none just kept saying it's wrong was never going to do owt, they don't listen to owt you

have to say, coz you don't count but if you hit em in the pockets they soon sit up & feckin

listen & since she destroyed the unions the rich have got richer & the poor have got

poorer, fact

 

I didn't ask why she killed the unions did I, I asked why she wanted the pits closed if they were allegedly prosperous? I fully understand why she wanted the unions sorted out and I agree with her. But why, as has been claimed without evidence, did she want the coal industry done with before she came into power? It makes no sense!

coz as long as the industry was there the unions would be there,she couldn't stop

folk joining the union it's a basic freedom but no industry no union it ain't rocket

science & at that time coal was plentiful so the timing was right too

[Born Hunter 17,656]

 

coz as long as the industry was there the unions would be there,she couldn't stop

folk joining the union it's a basic freedom but no industry no union it ain't rocket

science & at that time coal was plentiful so the timing was right too

 

And if the unions had played ball, she would have left the industry be. Makes perfect sense to me now thanks.

[Rake aboot 4,929]

Well I had to think hard about commenting on here about Thatcher

 

Starting work in the early `s,, you wanted to feel like one of Thatchers yuppies,, you watched films like risky business and wanted to be a yuppie ! lol

 

Then lifes realities kicked in,, and you found yourself struggling hard , and having to poach to fill the freezer,, unheard of for decades, Then when you thought further on it,, you remembered the utter distruction she wreaked in the place that you grew up,

Neighbour against neighbour hating each other,, and men that to this very day, will always be known as a scab.

 

People with money, getting on great while 95% of your town struggled to get back on it`s feet after the havoc of the strikes, and the decimation of the local industries.

 

 

Thatcher hated the working man,, she viewed tham as slaves for her cronies to abuse,

 

 

No tears here.

[johnc. 36]

[sandymere 8,261]

They say you shouldn’t speak ill of the dead so I’ve nothing to say about her.

[pritch 335]

 

 

coz as long as the industry was there the unions would be there,she couldn't stop

folk joining the union it's a basic freedom but no industry no union it ain't rocket

science & at that time coal was plentiful so the timing was right too

 

And if the unions had played ball, she would have left the industry be. Makes perfect sense to me now thanks.

and why should the masses play ball it was there livelihood she was trying destroy

she was put there to serve the masses not decimate them.so those at the top can

become richer or to benefit any small portion of society at the expense of the rest

[Born Hunter 17,656]

 

 

 

coz as long as the industry was there the unions would be there,she couldn't stop

folk joining the union it's a basic freedom but no industry no union it ain't rocket

science & at that time coal was plentiful so the timing was right too

 

And if the unions had played ball, she would have left the industry be. Makes perfect sense to me now thanks.

and why should the masses play ball it was there livelihood she was trying destroy

she was put there to serve the masses not decimate them.so those at the top can

become richer or to benefit any small portion of society at the expense of the rest

 

She wouldn't have been trying to destroy their livelihood if they weren't taking such liberties........... This swings round and round. You either agree or you don't. My original question has been answered.

[carp777 191]

For all you Maggie hater's here's something I found on another forum and I agree with every single word !!! as I'm old enough to remember it all !!

Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH
Not written by me but says a lot i think! R.I.P. Maggie.

[tjones3862 3,423]

whats the saying,,,, the good old days,

[Bootsha 1,306]

 

she f****d the mines in the uk, south wales where i came from, many generations of miners, hard working honest folk, very proud people, she brushed them and their families aside as if we were dust the f****n bitch. Turned family members against each other, many young children s first words learned in 1984 were "SCAB", those few that did scab are still blackballed in the community today because of their actions.........and they want to give her a state funeral !!!!!!! take the carcass to the local hunt kennels and throw the old c**t in there, hounds can stomach most things.even rotten meat of the highest order

 

 

She did all this did she?

 

So she was there telling the young kids to call others scabs, telling you to fall out with your family, and stood behind you with arm twisted behind your back making you strike.

 

Of course she wasn't, you did all this off of your own back, it was your descision no one elses.

 

Grow the balls that Maggie had and take responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming some one else.

 

Moaning and whinging all those years ago, and still whinging now.

 

She came from a working class background and made something of herself, what have you done?

I was born into a working class family, as she was, i still have dirt under my nails, as she will soon have, i can walk any where with my head held high knowing that i have never caused hard times on any f****r you condecending prick, can you ???. Come to mention it, what the f**k have you done???, no doubt your one of the fuckers who benefitted from that f****n bitch's policy's and political aims ??? Yes she came from a working class background.....thats where the similarity ends with 90% of working class people, so take your rose tinted f***ing glasses off you arse and take a drive through some of the coalfield community's that she f****d up, take a drive and report back what you see???, desolation, no jobs, where once there was thousands, no hope, where once there was a guaranteed job for generations of the same family, and no f****n prospects. Now then mr, what do YOU see when you drive locally to where you live ????? please enlighten me with your feedback.