MINSHAW .....

[dazzz 421]

stunning beast's then simo, another breed that has been persacuted by the KC, i can see why you would think they have a lot to offer not sure i would go half x

like you could and would with a collie??

[Simoman 110]

Dare i say it but i'd rather cross a top draw shepherd with a top draw coursing bitch rather than a greyhound, but not many owners of either a top draw working shepherd or top draw coursing bitch would be too enthusiasstic about such a mating

 

Edited to add apologies for diverting the thread

[TOMO 28,330]

they need a lot of exercise and mine also tended to be one man dogs who boned closely with me,,,,,,,

 

BONED CLOSELY,,,,, i knew it :laugh:

[Millet 4,497]

I seen it but did not want to comment.. :laugh:

[chartpolski 27,356]

I didn't comment as I didn't think it WAS a spelling mistake !!! LOL !!!

 

Cheers.

[dytkos 17,917]

Dare i say it but i'd rather cross a top draw shepherd with a top draw coursing bitch rather than a greyhound, but not many owners of either a top draw working shepherd or top draw coursing bitch would be too enthusiasstic about such a mating

 

Edited to add apologies for diverting the thread

 

Were they not prone to giving tongue though, then Simo, the Shepherds?

 

Cheers, D.

[minshaw man 111]

I didn't comment as I didn't think it WAS a spelling mistake !!! LOL !!!

 

Cheers.

haha

[Simoman 110]

Dare i say it but i'd rather cross a top draw shepherd with a top draw coursing bitch rather than a greyhound, but not many owners of either a top draw working shepherd or top draw coursing bitch would be too enthusiasstic about such a mating

 

Edited to add apologies for diverting the thread

 

Were they not prone to giving tongue though, then Simo, the Shepherds?

 

Cheers, D.

 

No mate, never......

[dytkos 17,917]

Fair enough but each to their own. Never would consider it myself though but I wouldn't consider myself a decent trainer of dogs. Average yes, conditioning maybe but that other stuff

 

 

 

Cheers, D.

Edited June 19, 2012 by dytkos

[bunnys 1,236]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

 

The ones i kept had very high drive Jamie, and just as importantly tested hips, the breed average was 19, mine were 4. Mine had amazing noses, the black one was a competition dog and we won organised comps against the bloodhound club of GB and won over 3 mile competition tracks. He was trained to ignore all ground game and scent but his son, in the photo with him i actually worked on the lamp, a couple of members on here saw him work, he used his nose to good effect when bushing and pegging pheasants and i'd say he had more wind than some of my lurchers Nice tight feet, very trainable, biddable and not much of a back foot Both dogs were capable of 14ft long jump, 7 scale and clearing five bar gates.

On the negative side, they aren't dogs that can just sit in a kennel with no stimulation, they need a lot of exercise and mine also tended to be one man dogs who boned closely with me, not a problem for me as my dogs go nowhere but could be a negative point with todays chop and change knob(not you fellas).

nice type those simo , and when xst to the right grey have sen scale gates retrieving the red coat . atb bunnys

[hedge mumper 78]

Not knocking shepards but you got good. Collies so why try fix what ain't broke? Imo. The collies used out of workers running all day everyday over generations have so be stronger than a Shepard that's sat with a fat security gaurd ??

[Bosun11 537]

I'd agree HM, collie has been added in large ammounts before and again just recently and is getting results, same as greyhound and Moscow has added bull to his, (nothing new here either) with good results. It's the quality of the blood used that makes the difference.

 

Andy and his lads know what they want from their dogs as does Moscow. Both giving 'em enough real graft to know and both will admit what has worked and what hasn't.

 

From sitting here reading, what I see is two slighty different directions but both with the same aims. To produce a quality lamp dog, to run 'their' chosen quarry, using predominantly proven blood from the past.

 

As much as I like a weirdo cross, I recon adding to much different blood will do the line no favours, if it ain't broke..an all that...

 

All that i'd add is, that it's the bitches that you have to keep an eye out for, make sure there are enough well bred and well grafted bitches to keep a close line running smooth.

[Guest bigdaddylongchopper]

for what its worth,i would of kepted the line pure and added nothing,the dogs had blow and speed,and could do it every night,what more do you need in a lamping dog.

[SMART DOG 340]

Simo this was a first cross shep/grey my father ran him late 's could do it all but lacked speed for daytime hares but was a hell of a rabbiter and fox dog

[BLACKWATER... 157]

good pic smart dog saw three or four work rooney feild trail finalist all round good dog, blue mates dog , guy from filey bred them he had several ,and a guy no longer here he is was ali x to lurcher could kill a roe and fox he never done much rabbs, everyone i saw so far all took foxes odd deer feral cats , pretty clever dogs when crossed in with good running dogs they became good allround animals localy first crosses would struggle at times , there alot hardeir than a collie cross in general ,charlie s dog scaled 12 feet over a wall one day i thought some dog ,as i says bred to the right coursing type or runnng dog youlle get a good lurcher ,they wrent nesh either or as hyper as colie types at times ,the [bANNED TEXT] working alsaitions are some dogs same as the belgain sheps

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