blan89 159 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 And who do they stitch up........what goverment and whole police force goes to the time, money and energy to stitch folk up like and you off the street? Probably some c**t that they know is a b*****d and they cant pin point them for one reason or the other. The positives outway the negatives for me............. so the police should just be above the law and basically just be able to nick people because they don't like the look of them? i wasn't refering to a police stitch up anyway it could be anyone who would profit by someone being out of the picture permanently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 And who do they stitch up........what goverment and whole police force goes to the time, money and energy to stitch folk up like and you off the street? Probably some c**t that they know is a b*****d and they cant pin point them for one reason or the other. The positives outway the negatives for me............. your not that naive lab are you.ive witnessed cops stitching folk up;granted it wasnt for this type of crime,but it does happen,and its not out with the realms of fantasy for them to stitch someone up for a sex crime. also stitching someone up for whatever reason is a big no no Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Our court system is no where near adequate enough to allow the death penalty. Would only be a matter of time before they f****d up. But the families of victims know the truth, they should not be protected upon release. Knowing they will be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives facing the most savage beating at any moment in time would be enough to make nost nonces either think twice about doing it or killing themselves if they did. FTB spot on,and ive always maintained the only detterent that would work,is bring out a law tomorrow.anyone convicted of sex crimes and crimes against kids,will be jailed in a mainstream prison,no segregation no special treatment.you are a convicted criminal and will serve your sentence with other convicted criminals.take your cahnces.i bet a pound to a pail of shite,they would think twice before touching someones kid or bashing some old womens brains out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Blan and Scot i dont know the ins and outs of every case.....neither do you. I cant see the police or whoever taking innocent people like the general public of the street just so they can kill them. I would love to find out the stats from any state in America where the death penalty is ongoing and how many rapists, murders, peados have been executed and how many 'innocent' people have also...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Blan and Scot i dont know the ins and outs of every case.....neither do you. I cant see the police or whoever taking innocent people like the general public of the street just so they can kill them. I would love to find out the stats from any state in America where the death penalty is ongoing and how many rapists, murders, peados have been executed and how many 'innocent' people have also...... not saying they would lab,but they have fitted up people in the past.then a few years later they have been founfd innocent and let go with a few quid and an apology.if the death sentence was in place,they wouldnt be walking away would they. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 He was only sentenced to four and a half years for raping a 13 year old, after he had a history of similar sex offences Just goes to show there is no justice. The only justice is that served by those inside. And no Scott the lads who done this are not as bad as him, they were no angels, but their crimes pale in comparison to his. FTB one of them killed two old ladies.scumbags all of them.do you think they killed him cause they were shocked by what he did,i seriously doubt that.killed him over some petty argument,or just to get thier name in the paper.all those nonces are housed together.dregs of society all locked up in the same wing. I wouldnt want either of them living by me knowing there capable of what they did , so as murder is so poorly punished in this country they will probably be out in less than 10 years & living next to some poor sod , i think it takes a special kind of headcase to be able to disembowel another human , the sort of headcase that will be let back out & left to get on with it exactly kay.old women are just as vulnerable as kids.both crimes are prob the most henious crimes that are commited. The rapist is dead & gone & good riddance, but it is a serious worry for anyone who may end up with people like these involved in this case living on there doorstep , they wont be on any paedophile register if the crimes THEY committed wernt against children, so basically they can move them more or less anywhere , right in the middle of a housing estate near you or any one of us To just have killed that rapist because he was a rapist is one thing , but why go to the trouble of disembowelment, I am just trying to imagine the sheer cold calculated way in which that would have to be done , stabbing someone to death is usually a frenzied attack , but what they did is butchering , that would need a pretty steady hand imo , thats the worry for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,905 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 No system will ever be perfect and there will always be cock ups where a not quite guilty person suffers but tbh if I find myself caught out by the system unjustly and was gonna spend 20...30 years or my life in a Cat A I think I would rather take a bullet. So imo I supprt a death penalty, perhaps 5 years suspended death penalty, 5 years in a Cat A then if no further evidence surfaces on ya knees and a .38 in the back of your head. Equally though I would be just as happy if paedos, murderers and rapists were left to rot in a high security prison. But again, what if you put a convincted rapist in a shit hole of a prison to find 30 years later with new technology/science he was infact innocent? Imo thats no worse than having shot the poor bugger, possibly worse for what he would have suffered.... As long as there is society there will be injustice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'm so relieved that the majority of posters aren't running the country! Sense is in short supply. The folk that say "string them up" have a very blinkered view of life and all its complexities. Whilst I shall not lament the loss of this guys life and may view it as justice through the back door The actions of the perpetrators cannot and should not be condoned. Only in the news today.......Amanda Knox, a nurse getting her case overturned, jeez the news is littered with unjust decisions. Killing someone is a pretty final sentence. the guys that did this I Suspect aren't the most intelligent of our species and yet they thought that they new best how to deal with someone. Who gave them the right to be judge, jury AND executioner? News such as this should never be let out to the general public as the general public in most cases are mob rule orientated and refelct the views of the tabloids who only write what provokes and stirs anger. I suspect that many who condone whats happened, like to show their allegiance to the mob by joining in, for the calls of "kill em all". In my view that makes them no better than the guy who got killed . No doubt I shall now receive a torrent of abuse. Rgds Swampy Balanced ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 No system will ever be perfect and there will always be cock ups where a not quite guilty person suffers but tbh if I find myself caught out by the system unjustly and was gonna spend 20...30 years or my life in a Cat A I think I would rather take a bullet. So imo I supprt a death penalty, perhaps 5 years suspended death penalty, 5 years in a Cat A then if no further evidence surfaces on ya knees and a .38 in the back of your head. Equally though I would be just as happy if paedos, murderers and rapists were left to rot in a high security prison. But again, what if you put a convincted rapist in a shit hole of a prison to find 30 years later with new technology/science he was infact innocent? Imo thats no worse than having shot the poor bugger, possibly worse for what he would have suffered.... As long as there is society there will be injustice. IMO any person wrongly accused of an offence is a victim of the original perpetrator as well as the legal system. The legal system gets it wrong from time to time, but what is the alternative, no legal system at all? PS. Blan, we already know your thoughts on this matter... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick20 23 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Not going to spend any of my time concerning myself with his death, him or the two arseholes that gutted him. I will however feel sorry and have great sympathy for his victims and family. ATB Mick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tallyho 181 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 see now i hope some c**t guts them, harming a poor old defencless women is as bad as it gets so your saying its not ok to be gutted when he has raped a CHILD but its ok when one killed an old defencless woman . Do you not think the Child was defencless !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carraghs Gem 1,699 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 @kay; disembowelment would be easier than frenzied attack, with the right knife it would be like a hot knife through butter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,905 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 No system will ever be perfect and there will always be cock ups where a not quite guilty person suffers but tbh if I find myself caught out by the system unjustly and was gonna spend 20...30 years or my life in a Cat A I think I would rather take a bullet. So imo I supprt a death penalty, perhaps 5 years suspended death penalty, 5 years in a Cat A then if no further evidence surfaces on ya knees and a .38 in the back of your head. Equally though I would be just as happy if paedos, murderers and rapists were left to rot in a high security prison. But again, what if you put a convincted rapist in a shit hole of a prison to find 30 years later with new technology/science he was infact innocent? Imo thats no worse than having shot the poor bugger, possibly worse for what he would have suffered.... As long as there is society there will be injustice. IMO any person wrongly accused of an offence is a victim of the original perpetrator as well as the legal system. The legal system gets it wrong from time to time, but what is the alternative, no legal system at all? PS. Blan, we already know your thoughts on this matter... There isn't any real alternative Malt. Life aint fair and sometimes the innocent suffer and often the guilty go free. If we had an infallable judicial system then I would 100% want immediate death penalty but we dont unfortunately and never will. As things stand I still would want the death penalty. My previous post being my reasoning. 5-10 years in a high security prison then death. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'm so relieved that the majority of posters aren't running the country! Sense is in short supply. The folk that say "string them up" have a very blinkered view of life and all its complexities. Whilst I shall not lament the loss of this guys life and may view it as justice through the back door The actions of the perpetrators cannot and should not be condoned. Only in the news today.......Amanda Knox, a nurse getting her case overturned, jeez the news is littered with unjust decisions. Killing someone is a pretty final sentence. the guys that did this I Suspect aren't the most intelligent of our species and yet they thought that they new best how to deal with someone. Who gave them the right to be judge, jury AND executioner? News such as this should never be let out to the general public as the general public in most cases are mob rule orientated and refelct the views of the tabloids who only write what provokes and stirs anger. I suspect that many who condone whats happened, like to show their allegiance to the mob by joining in, for the calls of "kill em all". In my view that makes them no better than the guy who got killed . No doubt I shall now receive a torrent of abuse. Rgds Swampy Balanced ning you think normal everyday people who think that convicted murders should be killed are no better than a paedophile???? you are f'ckin wierd!!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 No system will ever be perfect and there will always be cock ups where a not quite guilty person suffers but tbh if I find myself caught out by the system unjustly and was gonna spend 20...30 years or my life in a Cat A I think I would rather take a bullet. So imo I supprt a death penalty, perhaps 5 years suspended death penalty, 5 years in a Cat A then if no further evidence surfaces on ya knees and a .38 in the back of your head. Equally though I would be just as happy if paedos, murderers and rapists were left to rot in a high security prison. But again, what if you put a convincted rapist in a shit hole of a prison to find 30 years later with new technology/science he was infact innocent? Imo thats no worse than having shot the poor bugger, possibly worse for what he would have suffered.... As long as there is society there will be injustice. IMO any person wrongly accused of an offence is a victim of the original perpetrator as well as the legal system. The legal system gets it wrong from time to time, but what is the alternative, no legal system at all? PS. Blan, we already know your thoughts on this matter... but for now,imo when the courts get it wrong (which they will at times) i think it's better they will have only taken some time off a man,rather than his life. the only way i'd be slightly swayed towards the death penalty would be if the judge who warranted the execution was completely accountable for the innocent mans death and charged as such. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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