pre-ban deer

[cmuzzy 6]

Good thread guys n gals took lil while to read although very intresting aswell ATB . Chris

[baw 4,360]

A long while ago deer where top of the list, I've seen many dogs thrown around like kites, kicked off and spun like skittles, pencil necked dogs with lack of power, dog's with no speed or sense of gear change..........

 

Living in an area where deer are fruitful is a challenge in itself, so is excercising a running dog in such an area, there are dangers of the unexpected, extra eyes and ears are needed.

 

 

 

 

 

Now this was a surprise, very scary in fact to see them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Excellent photos Artic, are they all wild mate?

[artic 595]

Well Baw, thank you!

 

Guess which ones are in the wild?

[baw 4,360]

Hmmmmm living near Aviemore I'd say all lol but if push came to shove...... 2 and 4?

[mackay 3,054]

Ran quite a few red deer with the dogs whilst working up north, both my dogs at the time could do a red hind but never in a lifetime would they be capable of a stag and they were both very experienced dogs with a fair tally of deer to their credit. I still ran stags now and again perhaps hoping for a positive outcome but if I'm being honest it was more just to observe and one thing I did notice was that with red (especially stags) on the side of the hill with the dog up their arse it looked like the the dog was running at 100mph but the deer were cantering it was like two seperate chases so with regards to speed it would be easy to wrongly assume the red deer is a big slow brute if you didn't actually have your dog to compare it against.

[artic 595]

Hmmmmm living near Aviemore I'd say all lol but if push came to shove...... 2 and 4?

 

Good answer.............................

 

I think enough has been said already on this thread Baw.

 

[DEERMAN 1,016]

Ran quite a few red deer with the dogs whilst working up north, both my dogs at the time could do a red hind but never in a lifetime would they be capable of a stag and they were both very experienced dogs with a fair tally of deer to their credit. I still ran stags now and again perhaps hoping for a positive outcome but if I'm being honest it was more just to observe and one thing I did notice was that with red (especially stags) on the side of the hill with the dog up their arse it looked like the the dog was running at 100mph but the deer were cantering it was like two seperate chases so with regards to speed it would be easy to wrongly assume the red deer is a big slow brute if you didn't actually have your dog to compare it against.

caught a few red stags up the north of scotland in late 80s ,their a lot smaller than ones down south, they have a slower running style to the eye than say fallow ,but they travel just as fast if not faster ,the fastest recorded british animal is a red stag (well it was last time i read guiness record books)

[mackay 3,054]

Ran quite a few red deer with the dogs whilst working up north, both my dogs at the time could do a red hind but never in a lifetime would they be capable of a stag and they were both very experienced dogs with a fair tally of deer to their credit. I still ran stags now and again perhaps hoping for a positive outcome but if I'm being honest it was more just to observe and one thing I did notice was that with red (especially stags) on the side of the hill with the dog up their arse it looked like the the dog was running at 100mph but the deer were cantering it was like two seperate chases so with regards to speed it would be easy to wrongly assume the red deer is a big slow brute if you didn't actually have your dog to compare it against.

caught a few red stags up the north of scotland in late 80s ,their a lot smaller than ones down south, they have a slower running style to the eye than say fallow ,but they travel just as fast if not faster ,the fastest recorded british animal is a red stag (well it was last time i read guiness record books)

 

 

What kind of weight were the stags you caught coming in at mate and how many dogs on one stag?, I worked as a ghillie on a highland estate and a stag gralloched in the parlour could be 230lbs add the puddens on and that's a formidable weight for any dog. From my experience any dog that might be capable of holding a full grown red stag certainly wasn't fast enough to catch one.

Edited February 19, 2011 by mackay

[runforyourlife 361]

Ran quite a few red deer with the dogs whilst working up north, both my dogs at the time could do a red hind but never in a lifetime would they be capable of a stag and they were both very experienced dogs with a fair tally of deer to their credit. I still ran stags now and again perhaps hoping for a positive outcome but if I'm being honest it was more just to observe and one thing I did notice was that with red (especially stags) on the side of the hill with the dog up their arse it looked like the the dog was running at 100mph but the deer were cantering it was like two seperate chases so with regards to speed it would be easy to wrongly assume the red deer is a big slow brute if you didn't actually have your dog to compare it against.

caught a few red stags up the north of scotland in late 80s ,their a lot smaller than ones down south, they have a slower running style to the eye than say fallow ,but they travel just as fast if not faster ,the fastest recorded british animal is a red stag (well it was last time i read guiness record books)

 

 

What kind of weight were the stags you caught coming in at mate and how many dogs on one stag?, I worked as a ghillie on a highland estate and a stag gralloched in the parlour could be 230lbs add the puddens on and that's a formidable weight for any dog. From my experience any dog that might be capable of holding a full grown red stag certainly wasn't fast enough to catch one.

 

 

mm, interesting point there mtae. And what a good job you had, did you pack it in, or lose it?

[baw 4,360]

There is no way a dog single handed could take down a fully grown Red Stag. I see them everyday in life and no f*****g way could it. Aye, it might be able to get a grip and hold on but anything more, naaaa, never buying it.

[runforyourlife 361]

There is no way a dog single handed could take down a fully grown Red Stag. I see them everyday in life and no f*****g way could it. Aye, it might be able to get a grip and hold on but anything more, naaaa, never buying it.

 

 

Well, they have mate.

[baw 4,360]

There is no way a dog single handed could take down a fully grown Red Stag. I see them everyday in life and no f*****g way could it. Aye, it might be able to get a grip and hold on but anything more, naaaa, never buying it.

 

 

Well, they have mate.

 

You seen them with your own eyes mate? Actually pull a red stag down and look like it could dispatch it on it's own accord? We are talking about lurchers here, dogs capable of catching other game like rabbit, hare, the odd fox?

[runforyourlife 361]

There is no way a dog single handed could take down a fully grown Red Stag. I see them everyday in life and no f*****g way could it. Aye, it might be able to get a grip and hold on but anything more, naaaa, never buying it.

 

 

Well, they have mate.

 

You seen them with your own eyes mate? Actually pull a red stag down and look like it could dispatch it on it's own accord? We are talking about lurchers here, dogs capable of catching other game like rabbit, hare, the odd fox?

 

 

What do you mean "the odd fox"? Can i ask you Baw, what type of lurchers you seen working?

[baw 4,360]

There is no way a dog single handed could take down a fully grown Red Stag. I see them everyday in life and no f*****g way could it. Aye, it might be able to get a grip and hold on but anything more, naaaa, never buying it.

 

 

Well, they have mate.

 

You seen them with your own eyes mate? Actually pull a red stag down and look like it could dispatch it on it's own accord? We are talking about lurchers here, dogs capable of catching other game like rabbit, hare, the odd fox?

 

 

What do you mean "the odd fox"? Can i ask you Baw, what type of lurchers you seen working?

 

In my lifetime? I've seen whippet crosses, collie greys, bull crosses, saluki, beddys, seen an alsation cross once, it was shit hence saw it once.... at the moment mostly Deerhound crosses and collie crosses. I have a deerhound cross, stands just under 29tts, I'd refer to him as a game dog. I'm not going to even remotely talk about incidents regarding subject but let me just say, up here it is enevitable you bump into stuff and on a few occasions he has been on "terms" and I'm just thankful he hasn't been injured. Now, as I stated, I can't for the life of me see a dog single handed taking down a fully grown red stag, not the kind we have around here. You'd need to be very lucky that it brought it down near your feet so you could dispatch but with the terrain I see them, you'd need a bottle of oxygen to get to the bloody dog. I've read books about such animals taking down deer, I have also read books about fairies at the bottom of the garden. Like I said, have you actually seen a dog with your own eyes take out one of these animals?

[jimmy100 48]

Good reply baw good to see you back on!