we don't have the ground or hares back here to do 5s on a regular basis unfortunately, but ye definitely need the breeding in them, true preban peter, the good 1s show it from day 1 and continue too show it I think. Breed Champs off champs and chumps off chumpsi know what you mean, but what did rocky marcianos dad do? Shoe maker, what did enzo calzaghe do? See lollol, talking dogs not boxers lol, as the saying goes ya often see a bad man with a good son or vice versa, but when it comes too dogs, ya don't see derby winners getting bred from the slowest dogs on the track, in any dog racing or ho