I have used bellmen and Flint , always two foot off the mark meanly to one side, so I stick to nocker box in my lads rugby sock so i can walk round without bending and spot on every time (getting on at bit lol)
Very true lol but got to give lads a chance, my lad is 20 now and it has kept him out of bother the dog game and rugby like kids have to be given the chance.
I have taken lads out as long as they are know by someone, I have offen taken out tearaways off the estate near me and other estates lamping I think it dose them good, and one or two get a dog and dont look back gives them something different to do in stead off play stations and sat about and I am sure more young tearaways would benefit from it .