had one of them for 17 years best dog ive owned maybe not the x that made it so good but the time i put in to it , i used him purely for lamping , on the good side when he was on the ball he was untouchable on rabbits and hares by any of the dogs i saw in his day, on the down side he was hot and cold on fox although that was prob my fault given him too many single handed early on in life and got bitten up bad