was up at otterburn in northumberland doing a rally any way we had a mooch about , i have seen these many times when i been there its not until your close up and inside it makes you think they are made to kill , i must be getting soft :11: , otterburn is a military training ground with wide expanse of land its where the fire the BIG guns ,and missiles etc heres a few of the intersting pictures i am sure some of the ex forces lads will be able to put names to them , what really got me is the thickness of the plate about "5 thick with holes right thru ,even the tank barrell ? the rif