i see where your comming from andy,and beleive me i know all about being on the wrong side,salmon ,hare,deer and ashamedly phesants.lol but after 30 odd years in the game, i do my thing even more quietly.but i will never lamp a hare.when i said we have an obligation to the hare ,i mean.if as individuals we set out to respect her maybee some others will follow on.i have freinds and family who have in the past lamped her but frown on this activity now.atb Benny