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LOL, there's no salvation in atheism fella..... but some of us don't let that scare us. Billions of people over the centuries, all with a different take on what their god is and what rules to follow...... yep as conclusive as evidence ever gets that eh.
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Can't say I have explored much of Scotland but if I was looking to get away for a few days I'd run for the south west. Cornwall, Devon, Dorset. Love that part of the country myself.
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And can I just add, that that isn't a particularly pleasant conclusion to come to...... When I'm dead, I'm fecking dead! LOL And if somebody wrongs me, there is no universal law on morality that will put it right for me. So coming to the beliefs I have is all rather shite from the consequences, though very fulfilling intellectually.
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Aye, I find you very easy to talk to on the subject.... and I can talk about deep stuff until the cows come home. On your point about statistics I would agree with you, but as I say imo all it does is show that humans as a biological species have a natural faith function in our psychology..... As proven by the fact that just about every human society in recorded history has had with it some sort of theistic system/religion. However, one of the reasons I give for this being 100% human and not divine is that there is no consistency between the isolated religions, there is so much variati
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Well of course that explanation will not be good enough for somebody that believes in a greater supernatural being (a deity/god). But that's where we fundamentally disagree mate. I would just add that I'm not writing them off as anything other than human and I believe faith is an evolved part of our psychology. Religious and spiritual beliefs are a very natural consequence of that and have historically enabled populations to do quite incredible things....
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Shroom, yeah they're exactly the sort of environmental effects I was talking about. Magnetism, electrical fields, acoustic waves, radiation etc. etc. It's really quite amazing how human perception can be influenced by such things....
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying WILF? There are surely some people that claim to be atheists simply because they don't want to follow the teachings of a given religion with no real logical thought as to the existence of a deity, if that's what you mean. As well as some that are scared of judgement from this alleged greater power so choose not to believe simply for that reason. I'm not sure if that is what you meant but I don't see that as a reason to support the existence of a god.... just another example of human psychology....
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Supernatural experiences are just part of our psychology, it's been shown that environmental factors effect the brain and consciousness in ways that make people believe they are being touched by a ghost, have been abducted by aliens or are being spoken to by spirits. We're only really starting to understand the capability of the human brain.... My own theory of theism is that it is a naturally selected survival mechanism (that'll really upset the creationists). I believe that humans being self aware and able to question their environment have developed faith as a means of remaining strong
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Well it's obviously catching because I'm confused as f**k now. I genuinely thought this latest round started from me saying how misunderstood atheism is and then you asking me to explain why as an atheist I would even entertain entering a discussion about god.... As for me referring to atheists and theists, you can double check for me, but it's usually in response to somebody already singling out one of the beliefs so a comparison between the two is surely only natural. If people are starting to see it as a competition then they're mistaken. I genuinely couldn't give a f**k what people bel
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TC, yes. I think we have a reasonably broad view of nature but I think there is a hell of a lot of detail yet to discover and perhaps a few real paradigm changers. Essentially, we don't know or understand everything so I'd be an idiot to think there is nothing more to discover.
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I don't believe in anything that can't be explained by science...... maybe not todays scientific knowledge but at least an application of scientific principles to eventually acquire that understanding. I'm not sure I would say I don't believe in anything that can't be proven as fact because then I wouldn't believe in any scientific theory. Likewise I can't prove god doesn't exist as fact so I wouldn't be an atheist either. Basically I'd be one very undecided and confused fence sitter.
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TC, we're talking about the concept of a god, now some people believe and some don't, it's hard not to have two camps. It's the nature of the discussion. Gnash, you said he'd never been mentioned..... I recalled three separate times...... so what if they were not related? But you can have the point, lol. Are we really arguing about something so f***ing daft? LOL. We was having a discussion about why you are so amused at us atheists discussing our beliefs.....
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Who exactly is saying us and them? Where is this coming from? Some people believe some people don't, I'm quite content with that. Why can't us atheists and them theists have an adult discussion about our beliefs?
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Including gnashers reference it's 3 in the past 6 or 7 pages actually. Keep up. Of course he's an atheist, but if you are capable of understanding English you should realise I haven't questioned that...
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LOL, no need to do any trawling, I have a reasonable memory. Wilf called him a self obsessed prick and fraz referred to him as the "top atheist". He's been mentioned plenty. I'm not attacking anybodies views on him, that's their own business. It just makes me laugh how he's lorded about by theists as the king of atheism like everything he is the rest of us are.
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It was a general comment. He's been mentioned f**k knows how many times.
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Yes yes Fraz, I'm an ignorant sinner and you're enlightened....... we've been down this road 300 pages ago. LOL
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He's an exceptional scientist. I just think he'd be more effective in spreading the understanding of evolution theory if he was less aggressive in his attacks on the alternate hypothesis of intelligent design..... Having an apparently superior argument may give you the ability to ridicule others but not necessarily the right.... In doing so he gets folks backs up and then they loose any objectivity they might have had and emotion starts to sour it all. To be honest though, he's probably sick to his back teeth of creationists challenging him simply because he is an authority on evolutio
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And why the f**k do theists jump on the Dawkins bashing bandwagon, presenting Dawkins as the head honcho of atheism? It's as bad as us atheists presenting the Pope as the head of theism! Dawkins (a chap I'd never heard of until about a year ago), is just an outspoken atheist. He's a very good scientist, but unfortunately his scientific work is too often outshone by his very aggressive views on creation.
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I haven't seen that quote so shouldn't really comment on it but I'll try anyway. I'm going to assume his statement was in the context of scientific discussion. Then of course it makes sense not to discuss it, there's f**k all scientific about the god hypothesis. So why should someone entertain it when talking about science? We established about a hundred pages ago that god can neither be proved nor disproved, so the topic isn't so much scientific as it is purely philosophical. If he chooses not to engage in philosophical debates then that's his right. However, he has and does talked ab
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Because an atheist is not someone who doesn't entertain the thought of a god, that is the definition of ignorance not atheism, which I've come to learn is a standard understanding of atheism from anybody that classes themselves a theist or agnostic. Atheism is the belief that there is no god, the complete opposite of theism. Now to take that belief you have had to entertain the thought of god. Without doing so you couldn't possibly be an atheist. The reason atheists, despite having made the decision that the probability of god existing is less than likely, enter into discussions about
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and folks tell me religion is misunderstood. If this thread has taught me anything it's that atheism is just as misunderstood as theism.
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And you're entitled to that opinion, but it doesn't change anything about his science. And he is a very good scientist.
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If we were just talking about whether some supernatural being that has no effect exists or not then yes, but we're not. The entire reason for the existence of a god is as a creator and master so the foundations of this whole debate is really our origins and the fundamentals of our Universe, of which god is one explanation. So this debate is no different to any other debate with conflicting beliefs. And anybody interested in the truth of our origin would like to find the truth behind the god hypothesis.... but most intelligent folk realise it's a fruitless task....
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Because the topic is more profound than the existence of God or a god. The topic is fundamentally about our origins and the Universe. God is more than the topic of discussion, God is a stand point in the argument of our existence and so often becomes the topic of discussion. That is why people who do not believe take such interest....
