Im not arguing mate just expressing an opinion, reading that article sort of proves what im trying to say, the jagdterriers qualities were forged in an artificial enviroment where our proper working terriers qualities were forged below ground in proper earths where great dogs have to do a lot more than run up to their quarry and grab a hold of it, that why our working terrier breeds on the whole are far better "workng" terriers, again jmho