I'm not disputing that the catapults didn't work I'm saying suggesting to get someone else's kids to do your dirty work is a bad idea . But hey that's just me I don't get kids to thing I should do ?To be fair it would be poetic justice getting kids to do the dirty work as its how the tinkers operate themselves yeah it'll be poetic justice if someone came out and returned fire and some little lad lost an eye , but hey as long as it's not you