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About Alsone

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  1. I'm guessing you won then. I've been there and won, and it cost me nothing beyond phone calls and letters. However, lose and you will get hit for the Barristers time, which could be as much as £500 per hour depending on his seniority, which will include his research time as well as time at Court, plus any legal opinions he prepared for the police which could have taken hours and hours of his time. Plus all of the police costs for their time and time off attending Court. It can add up. I didn't pull £10k out of the hat, I believe that's the figure |I've seen a shooting organisation mention somewhere as a possible figure if you should lose. It's certainly not out of the realms of possibility. Mad Max, it's not your own costs you need to worry about so much as the Police's if you lose. Your own costs might only be £1K. Their bill could be many times higher.
  2. Just be aware of what you're getting yourself into without insurance. If you lose, you could be looking at as much as a £10K bill. The police will almost certainly employ a Barrister and if you lose, you'll be hit with his costs as well as your own Solicitors' costs, and those costs won't only be the cost of attending Court, but all the weeks of preparation he's put into it.
  3. Barrel burner ????

    Anything powerful enough to reach out to 250yds, is going to destroy your rabbits. At the revised distances of 100-150yds, .22LR HV is easily usable. At a zero of 125 yds using CCI Stingers Bullet data gives 2 inches over at 100yds and 5 inches below at 150yds. Both of those are manageable drops especially if your ranging accurately and even more so if you can use the scope turrets properly. If you don't already use the compensation turrets, now is probably a good time to learn. Elliot on here is somewhat of a master.
  4. Never Underestimate.....

    The police licensing guidance says short range and only then in the hands of a skilled marksman. Personally, I wouldn't go much over about 60-70yds. It's not about being able to hit the target so much as being about being able to kill outright, humanely and consistently. Search Youtube and there are wild boar killed with .22LR at very close range. Equally there are people hitting paper targets at 400yds+. Just because you can do it, (well some of the time anyway), doesn't mean you should. .22LR doesn't retain a lot of velocity downrange and this combined with the low energy doesn't make it great for fox sized targets at range. It's reckoned to take around 50ftlbs of energy to kill a fox cleanly, and although .22lr subs have this beyond 100yds, the velocity is only around 1,000fps at the muzzle and it will have lost at around 200-300fps before 100yds. Compare that to even a small cf and it's minicsule. 150-200yds against fox is centrefire territory, and arguably this starts below 100yds so far as .22LR is concerned if being humane. No reason not to use subs against bunnies at more range though, although hitting them at range with subs, will take some good shooting.
  5. Rhodesian Ridgeback Bushing

    TBH, I wouldn't want to take one on. They're fearless and 100% muscle. Plus there's the stamina. They may not have actually killed the lion, but cornering a lion or bear is not something you're going to do unless you have something to offer. The one I knew was massive, almost great dane sized, just like in this photo (this isn't the one I knew - from google): ..and this is a good example of the muscle tone - one of the few breeds with a 6 pack: All I can say is if you're a burglar, good luck taking that on.
  6. Rhodesian Ridgeback Bushing

    I agree with the rest of your post, but definitely not this paragraph. I've had ridgebacks most of my adult life and they are far more biddable and controllable than other breeds I've had dealings with. I agree their prey drive is high, but I can guarantee they can be called off when required. At least mine can. Their urge to please their owner outweighs their prey drive in my opinion. As for the "known issues" with noisy kids either. I have heard these stories, but normally from people who haven't owned a ridgeback. All mine have been terrific with kids - noisy or otherwise. Perhaps I've been lucky in my 25+ years of owning this breed, but I suspect there is a difference between the dog being uncontrollable and owners who can't control their dog. There seems to be differing opinion on this. Some specialist breeder sites caution against Ridgebacks saying they're so independently thinking that they tend to make their own mind up and over ride their owners if locked into pursuit mode, as they become prey focused to the exclusion of all else. Many caution against ridgebacks and kids. Others don't mention control issues and say they're great with kids! I think with kids, it depends on the kids. Ridgebacks hunting instinct is said to be activated by noise and movement. As for control, couldn't comment beyond what has been posted. The one I knew was very placid. The one opinion on control that is universal, is they need an experienced dog owner who's capable of asserting their authority from the start as they will appoint themselves as leader if the owner is weak. Another often stated drawback is they're not known for being great with strangers. They are very protective of their owners and can get aggressive if approached by people they don't know. The again, as I said above, this flies in the face of the ridgeback I knew that lived in the shop where everyone was essentially a stranger. I wouldn't have liked to have had a go at the owner though! I wouldn't hesitate to have one as a working dog though, nor a pet, if I didn't have a family with small kids and had the time to give the dog a lot of exercise to ensure frustration didn't set in.
  7. Rhodesian Ridgeback Bushing

    No reason why you can't use a Ridgeback for cover. They're bred for hunting, and specifically finding and tracing prey. Their original purpose was to corner hunt down and corner lions, bear and wild boar for the guns to move in and then shoot. In that context, African brush can be pretty thick and thorny.. They were also used for flushing birds from cover and bringing down deer, so there is history of breeding them for flushing and them being used as general gun dogs due to their limitless energy within the breeding. Very little prey can outrun a Ridgeback, Ridgebacks are the marathon runners of the dog world - they have unlimited stamina and are know to be able to run for hours at a time without slowing or fatiguing. There are records of them running for hours continuously without stopping and they can run at speeds of up to 35mph without problem. For a lot of prey, the only chance is to outsprint it to permanent cover eg a rabbit hole. Also never seen a Ridgeback that wasn't a hardy dog (earlier comment) - they're known for being totally fearless, determined and single and independently minded in the hunt, you have to be to chase lions down! However, the above said, there may be better breed choices as they are not without issues. The biggest problem with Ridgebacks is keeping control as they are so determined they will often ignore owners commands if they lock onto something, which can cause serious control problems not least of which because once they decided something is prey, it can be difficult to prevent them pursuing it. There are many accounts of owners losing control and having difficulty calling them back. There are known issues with noisy children for this prey identification reason as noise can stimulate their prey instinct. They're often not recommended for families with small noisy children. That said, the only ridgeback I knew was owned by a shop owner and used to lie on the shop floor. Never had an issue with anyone including children, was a very chilled dog. That said, I doubt it came across very noisy children. I think people sometimes become too fixated on breed rather than training. eg. one of the most used breeds is the springer, but my experience of springers is they're stupid dogs that injure themselves at every possible opportunity. The one my mate had finished up at the vets after every trip - charging through brambles, thorny bushes and frequently barbed wire without a second thought. If the dog didn't come back covered in blood, it had spent the day in the kennel!! His insurance was horrendous, and the vet his best friend!!! For that reason I personally wouldn't use a springer for tight cover, but that flies in face of known wisdom.
  8. Can't Decide On A Fox Calibre

    If urban conservationists are you're problem I'd have thought maybe you'd have wanted stealth over range. Last thing you want is protestors if people hear you dispatching their rescued foxes. To the farmer they're predators, to the urban misunderstanders they're almost pets. To that end, an electronic caller and maybe a moderated hornet or even rimfire might be better. If they already think the farm is a meal station, I doubt you'll have much difficulty calling them in so why not hunker down in a barn or in a gap in a wall and call them up the field. I doubt an urban fox is going to shy from buildings, static lights or a little farm noise. Before varying anything, maybe try an electronic caller with your rimfire and see if you can get them right in as nothing beats a .22 sub for (lack of) volume. 50yds or less and you're safe for an almost certain humane kill. Failing that, if you can't get them up the hill, you'll at least have an idea of how far you can get them to approach and have a better idea of the calibre needed. Might be worth buying or borrowing a caller and a rangefinder. At 250yds, my preference would be to reach for a .22-250 or .243. However, neither is stealthy. One last point, if shooting down a hill, consider the safety aspect of your backdrop, and if you can't get it safe within your permission, consider shooting up or across the hill. Might even given you a shorter range aspect in any event.
  9. Camera Setup

    Don't fancy your chances of getting Chris Packham along.
  10. Fac Application Query

    If you've had any kind of medical condition that's listed on the form (there should be a full list of relevant conditions in the attached notes), then make sure you're a member of a shooting organisation that offers licensing insurance before you apply, as these things can come occasionally back to bite you when they investigate your history. Often it's all going to depend on the FAO / Force you're dealing with. A good FAO / Force will recognise when things are in the past / and or not significant if still with you. A bad one, might make extra demands they're not entitled to or simply refuse you even though the condition is not a safety issue. My advice, get insured, at the worst, you've got a years insurance for the whole activity, free magazines (depending on the body concerned), and telephone support when you need it. At the best, you've got legal advice and backup with your application and costs covered, (policy allowing), for any appeal.
  11. That's one of the advantages of the .17 hornet, increased velocity and the same ballistics as .223: Be interesting to see Elliot's comparison. I personally expect both to be effective and for it to be largely personal choice over ballistics and maybe a bit more usable range on the .17.
  12. Advice From .222 Shooters

    I always keep 3 or 4 of the Napier pads in the cabinet. Got that VP90 stuff in them that stops rust and corrosion.http://www.napieruk.com/acatalog/Super-VP90-Corrosion-Inhibitor-VP90_.html http://www.napieruk.com/acatalog/Super-VP90-Corrosion-Inhibitor-VP90_.html Don't know if it's all BS but I've never had any problems while I've been using them.Have heard they work well myself. I always wanted to fit a 12v bulb in my cabinet to created a gentle heat but never got around to it. Not sure I'd recommend that. Fastest way to rot anything is moisture + heat.
  13. Fac Renewal / Shotgun Add

    Practical Shotgun is also a prime reason for S1. Obviously if you do want to shoot both practical and birds, need the correct variation. Don't forget, you can only shoot vermin bird species with S1. Game birds and wildfowl are illegal.
  14. Shotgun Refusal

    Incorrect according to the BASC - no charges is agreed between the BMA, Police, BASC and Home Office. The BASC state if a doctor refuses to supply a report after 21 days it's presumed there are no medical issues: Check with the BASC the advice still holds true as this is a 2016 produced advice leaflet. Ensure your friend has Licensing Insurance before he applies. That way you're protected financially from problems. Yep the BASC costs £70, but at least you get 1yrs Insurance cover, a magazine and other benefits. Pay the doctor and all you get is the report and fuel them charging you and others in the future. Plus your friend may have issues with his application and history in any event so he needs licensing insurance. Alternatively get him to look at SACS although I'm not sure they still cover licensing issues looking at their web site. You'd need to check. Either way, if he pays the doctor, you cause doctors to charge in future. Personally, I'd rather argue the case with BASC / SACS backing than simply fuel further charging against myself and others.
  15. Shotgun Refusal

    BASC advice is refuse to pay. Apparently they're not supposed to charge for Firearm reports: https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/basc-says-dont-pay-medical-fee/