SHOW US YOUR PATTERDALES

[Mixedgrill 704]

14 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

But do they? 

Just because a dog is a world beater, never missed a beat type dog, doesn’t mean that he’ll re-produce himself. How many times has it been the case that the superstar from a litter produces bugger all and his brother who’s an honest average digging dog has produced worker after worker? 

Still wouldn’t breed off an average dog but I get what your saying chum

[Mixedgrill 704]

Also you’ll see a pattern in a dog that’s about to jack small things that’ll make you think then out they’ll come and let face it it’s nothing to do with human error when they don’t want it. it’s curtains 

[aaron01 739]

I have a dog there this season he started to hard for his own good his first couple of digs were shaky he was rolling around trying to bully the game making mistakes nearly forcing the shift but he dug a couple and failed a couple and I wasn’t impressed by him I put him in a spot that was maybe to big a test just because I wanted to see what he was about and he showed after 1hr beat up and exhausted I made my mind up in my head he was finished only my digging partner convinced me to try him one more time so I healed him and gave him another go and he used his voice for the first time and has used it since he will still rattle him but uses his voice plenty  and has dug away since with no fails that’s not to say he won’t walk again because it’s always in the back of my head but sometimes it costs nothing to try them again 

[Lenmcharristar 10,653]

19 minutes ago, aaron01 said:

I have a dog there this season he started to hard for his own good his first couple of digs were shaky he was rolling around trying to bully the game making mistakes nearly forcing the shift but he dug a couple and failed a couple and I wasn’t impressed by him I put him in a spot that was maybe to big a test just because I wanted to see what he was about and he showed after 1hr beat up and exhausted I made my mind up in my head he was finished only my digging partner convinced me to try him one more time so I healed him and gave him another go and he used his voice for the first time and has used it since he will still rattle him but uses his voice plenty  and has dug away since with no fails that’s not to say he won’t walk again because it’s always in the back of my head but sometimes it costs nothing to try them again 

An apprenticeship is for making mistakes and learning from them. Every dog is different in maturity mentality etc etc so patience is needed at the start and hope he makes the grade, now on the other hand a protestor at the hole is no good lol

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

1 hour ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

But do they? 

Just because a dog is a world beater, never missed a beat type dog, doesn’t mean that he’ll re-produce himself. How many times has it been the case that the superstar from a litter produces bugger all and his brother who’s an honest average digging dog has produced worker after worker? 

But still R.H if breeding you have too breed from the better worker otherwise it's all blown out the door if we all discard the grafter and just breed from the mediocre it will fade out eventually.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

1 hour ago, howdeeposxxt said:

But still R.H if breeding you have too breed from the better worker otherwise it's all blown out the door if we all discard the grafter and just breed from the mediocre it will fade out eventually.

When I said average digging dog, I don’t mean it in any bad way, the dog is still being dug regular but his brother outshines him for some reason?

You must surely see it in your own dogs? Say you have 2 or 3 digging dogs in your kennels now, I’ll bet you have a favourite but the others are still good at their job, it doesn’t mean you won’t breed from the others does it? Or put it another way, if you and your mate have 2 brothers, yours is the superstar and your mates is JUST a genuine, honest worker, but he is the best dog in your mates kennel, then surely he would use him over a bitch?

It’s all hypothetical and difficult to get my point across on here but hopefully you get what I’m saying?

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

3 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

When I said average digging dog, I don’t mean it in any bad way, the dog is still being dug regular but his brother outshines him for some reason?

You must surely see it in your own dogs? Say you have 2 or 3 digging dogs in your kennels now, I’ll bet you have a favourite but the others are still good at their job, it doesn’t mean you won’t breed from the others does it? Or put it another way, if you and your mate have 2 brothers, yours is the superstar and your mates is JUST a genuine, honest worker, but he is the best dog in your mates kennel, then surely he would use him over a bitch?

It’s all hypothetical and difficult to get my point across on here but hopefully you get what I’m saying?

I do indeed unstand you R.H and I am positive I come across a one minded dope on here because I can barely understand myself at times if I'm real honest with myself my oldest bitch was bred the way you have stated and I do sure have a favourite but with the little breeding I do I probably only breed from my favourite/best dog and the others will be worked till they can work no more but I wouldn't be breeding so much to give them a look in unless god forbid something happens. I'll just enjoy them and be glad they where put together the right way and do what there bred ta do.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,104]

It’s not until you read posts like the last half dozen or so that you start to think about those terriers you never bred which maybe should of had a chance but all too late now .Good steady digging dogs  ain’t mediocre either ,they are what we strive for .Those that supposedly shine ,probably do so for other reasons than digging ie just a good dog to have around ,breed  decent stuff but we subconsciously link it all to digging .If it stays to be dug to time after time ,then any dog shines in my book .

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

12 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

It’s not until you read posts like the last half dozen or so that you start to think about those terriers you never bred which maybe should of had a chance but all too late now .Good steady digging dogs  ain’t mediocre either ,they are what we strive for .Those that supposedly shine ,probably do so for other reasons than digging ie just a good dog to have around ,breed  decent stuff but we subconsciously link it all to digging .If it stays to be dug to time after time ,then any dog shines in my book .

I'm not here to criticize anyone  but would you not breed from your best dog I would and I think I respect my other terrier by digging them as often as possible but I will always stand by breeding form the best in my yard. I will never look down on my dogs but no 1 will be put over number 1 not number 2 but as you said once there in the end you could class them all number 1 but when I look at a terrier a particular one probably just takes my fancy maybe the next man would prefer the dog in the next kennel it all comes down to opinion.

Edited February 10, 2019 by howdeeposxxt

[dogmandont 10,063]

1 hour ago, foxdropper said:

It’s not until you read posts like the last half dozen or so that you start to think about those terriers you never bred which maybe should of had a chance but all too late now .Good steady digging dogs  ain’t mediocre either ,they are what we strive for .Those that supposedly shine ,probably do so for other reasons than digging ie just a good dog to have around ,breed  decent stuff but we subconsciously link it all to digging .If it stays to be dug to time after time ,then any dog shines in my book .

Lost a bitch 4 seasons ago at 7 year old that should have been bred from, realised it the day I lost her and have been kicking myself ever since. Was one of those terriers you kind of take for granted and went about her business without much fuss, not a superstar by any means but just a good honest reliable terrier that should have been given a chance to pass those traits on. One of the biggest mistakes I’ve made from I started out in dogs. 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,104]

1 hour ago, howdeeposxxt said:

I'm not here to criticize anyone  but would you not breed from your best dog I would and I think I respect my other terrier by digging them as often as possible but I will always stand by breeding form the best in my yard. I will never look down on my dogs but no 1 will be put over number 1 not number 2 but as you said once there in the end you could class them all number 1 but when I look at a terrier a particular one probably just takes my fancy maybe the next man would prefer the dog in the next kennel it all comes down to opinion.

I agree totally with you mate .Ive always put best to best IMO but looking back there have been a few that maybe should have had a litter .No regrets on dogs used at all just a few bitches I never lined .

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

It’s personal opinion, I have a couple of dogs I rate highly, but the older one is my favourite. They’re both basically the same dog on paper. But 2 of my mates have always said they’d love a pup from the younger one. So who’s right, me or them?

Edited February 10, 2019 by Rabbit Hunter

[Lenmcharristar 10,653]

6 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

It’s personal opinion, I have a couple of dogs I rate highly, but the older one is my favourite. They’re both basically the same dog on paper. But 2 of my mates have always said they’d love a dog from the younger one. So who’s right, me or them?

If they’re good dogs then both are right get a good bitch and see which produces

[Mixedgrill 704]

11 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

I agree totally with you mate .Ive always put best to best IMO but looking back there have been a few that maybe should have had a litter .No regrets on dogs used at all just a few bitches I never lined .

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

1 minute ago, Lenmcharristar said:

If they’re good dogs then both are right get a good bitch and see which produces

I agree, but going by what’s getting said on here I should only breed off the older one?