Israel 1 , Iran 0.

[WILF 52,874]

I completely understand all the “we should stay out” line of thought, but here’s a thing…..we may stay out of messing with the Muslims but the Muslims ain’t staying out of messing with us no matter what we do…..I think that fact is well proven.

I think Starmer is more comfortable to talk to China because ideologically they are kith and kin ! 
 

I think it’s all very well saying we don’t want to go to another war but I think that war came to us, a while ago and this massive upheaval in geopolitics was always, always coming given the utter insanity of how people are we just being abused at every level.

I think it is time to pick a side, if a man with the ideology of Starmer is looking to slide out unaffected then you can bet your arse we absolutely should be forcing him to places he don’t want to go…..this bloke is not our friend, that’s not to suggest trump is either but he is more of a f***ing friend than Starmer and his ilk will ever be.

Starmer is all ideology, he holds principals for nothing !…..and when I say Starmer I use him as a cover all for every f***ing disgusting traitor just like him…..let’s be clear, VERY CLEAR…..this man and his red and blue clones are our mortal enemy ! 
We should offer them no quarter! 
 

We can look to the stock market if we want and the effect all these various trade deals have on our economy, well the fact is, the stock market has never been so high upto the point of the attack on Iran and ordinary people got poorer !…….this c**t ain’t making deals for “his nation”, he is making deals for his masters while he murders his nation. 

Not specifically Iran, but here is what I think…..we are in it chaps !…..the great struggle is manifesting……we might not want to be in it, we may say we don’t want it, we may utterly reject the premise…..but we are in it all the same wether we want it or not.

I’ll tell you this, if the likes of Starmer and his clones domestically and in Europe prevail and the likes of Trump and people like him fade away we are f****d !…….like, f****d !

So, imho, I think it’s damn sure we better pick a side.

[WILF 52,874]

24 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

That is exactly why imo. Entering the straits now will not be without serious risk. A lucky ballistic missile or a sneaky UUV sinking a warship would be politically catastrophic, and potentially the turning point for completely dragging the US into a long war. Having international support going into that and of course the midterms would be a huge boost for Trump.

Question mate, as I know you are quiet up on these things……can Europe defend itself without the states, like on a proper scale ? 

[Halfhound 1,112]

I see on the front page of a newspaper today a bank paid just 1% tax on its profit of €3.6 billion last year. It looks like there’s a number of wars that need to be fought. 

[Born Hunter 18,089]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

Question mate, as I know you are quiet up on these things……can Europe defend itself without the states, like on a proper scale ? 

General high level answer, yes in terms of people and platforms. Politically they lack cohesion and will. Supply chain and logistics I really wouldn’t know, so much dependence on global supply chains I would be curious to see how resilient Europe is there. As innovative as the European defence industry is, I fear we don’t have the production capacity right now to sustain war.

But generally, in the face of a serious threat then I would say Europe could withstand.

The Polish forces alone would be a formidable land force. The UK and France combined bring a decent enough navy and nuclear capability (this war has caught the RN at a particularly bad time). The Nordics probably lead the world in arctic warfare. Not to mention fundamentally NATO TTPs are superior to most potentially enemies and most of Europe is NATO standard.

But that’s not good enough! It’s one thing being able to survive, it’s another being seen as so powerful no one even wants to try. 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,491]

Miliband got handed his arse in his hand on TV yesterday when a chart was put up referencing how much the government are making on fuel, 55% of it is tax and the increase means more revenue for the government via our taxes. They could help but this "war" is just another way to rinse us whilst blaming everyone else and sitting on the fence, cowards every one of them.     

[WILF 52,874]

13 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

I see on the front page of a newspaper today a bank paid just 1% tax on its profit of €3.6 billion last year. It looks like there’s a number of wars that need to be fought. 

The question isn’t why are they allowed to do that…..the question is, why are you not allowed ? 

[Born Hunter 18,089]

5 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Miliband got handed his arse in his hand on TV yesterday when a chart was put up referencing how much the government are making on fuel, 55% of it is tax and the increase means more revenue for the government via our taxes. They could help but this "war" is just another way to rinse us whilst blaming everyone else and sitting on the fence, cowards every one of them.     

And that’s just the cost at the pump. The oil company that extracted it from the North Sea pay something stupid like 85% tax on profits! Why would anyone want to increase domestic production to reduce the oil price when the government rinses the f**k out of them for being good at it. The British government f***ing hate oil&gas!

[Born Hunter 18,089]

Decent piece on what we could do even if we wanted to in the strait.

If called upon, what assets could the Royal Navy send to the Gulf? - Navy Lookout

WWW.NAVYLOOKOUT.COM

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Donald Trump has called for allies to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz (SOH). Here, we consider whether...

 

[Halfhound 1,112]

24 minutes ago, WILF said:

The question isn’t why are they allowed to do that…..the question is, why are you not allowed ? 

I think the answer is they hold influence over government and I don’t. They’ve the power to keep people on a ball and chain and I don’t. People will keep quiet and stay in their lane when they spend a life time being bet with a stick called debt. 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,491]

12 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

And that’s just the cost at the pump. The oil company that extracted it from the North Sea pay something stupid like 85% tax on profits! Why would anyone want to increase domestic production to reduce the oil price when the government rinses the f**k out of them for being good at it. The British government f***ing hate oil&gas!

Yep mental.

I work overtime in work get taxed, do really well get taxed more, do really really well get a bonus and get taxed even more. Use that money to buy a new car and pay tax on it when purchased, the company you've bought the car from are taxed, the employees that produce the car are taxed and the show room you've purchased the car from is taxed. I then pay tax every year to keep it on the road and then taxed again every time you fuel it up, take it to the garage for a service taxed on the labour and taxed on the parts. 

Makes you wonder why we bother!   

[WILF 52,874]

1 minute ago, Halfhound said:

I think the answer is they hold influence over government and I don’t. They’ve the power to keep people on a ball and chain and I don’t. People will keep quiet and stay in their lane when they spend a life time being bet with a stick called debt. 

Fair !

Mate, I’m a really simple bloke so I only hope to understand what I see…..what I see is the oldest trick in the book….we used to call it a Long Firm…..government calls it at the moment “the state”

So I (the government) come to you (the firm) and I say “I’ll invest in you and give you a few goodies and in return you pay me a return and sign over 70% of your shares but you remain director”

Then I start writing cheques all over the shown and living it up, selling off all the decent bits of your firm, coining it in and you have to pay for it…..you mention you ain’t very happy with this arrangement and I turn up with 6 of my pals and a hammer and say “You sure about that !” And you quickly shut up……I keep writing the cheques !

You, the people (the firm) can never ever write enough cheques to satisfy me and eventually you are the victim……that’s what this is !

[NEWKID 30,073]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

I completely understand all the “we should stay out” line of thought, but here’s a thing…..we may stay out of messing with the Muslims but the Muslims ain’t staying out of messing with us no matter what we do…..I think that fact is well proven.

I think Starmer is more comfortable to talk to China because ideologically they are kith and kin ! 
 

I think it’s all very well saying we don’t want to go to another war but I think that war came to us, a while ago and this massive upheaval in geopolitics was always, always coming given the utter insanity of how people are we just being abused at every level.

I think it is time to pick a side, if a man with the ideology of Starmer is looking to slide out unaffected then you can bet your arse we absolutely should be forcing him to places he don’t want to go…..this bloke is not our friend, that’s not to suggest trump is either but he is more of a f***ing friend than Starmer and his ilk will ever be.

Starmer is all ideology, he holds principals for nothing !…..and when I say Starmer I use him as a cover all for every f***ing disgusting traitor just like him…..let’s be clear, VERY CLEAR…..this man and his red and blue clones are our mortal enemy ! 
We should offer them no quarter! 
 

We can look to the stock market if we want and the effect all these various trade deals have on our economy, well the fact is, the stock market has never been so high upto the point of the attack on Iran and ordinary people got poorer !…….this c**t ain’t making deals for “his nation”, he is making deals for his masters while he murders his nation. 

Not specifically Iran, but here is what I think…..we are in it chaps !…..the great struggle is manifesting……we might not want to be in it, we may say we don’t want it, we may utterly reject the premise…..but we are in it all the same wether we want it or not.

I’ll tell you this, if the likes of Starmer and his clones domestically and in Europe prevail and the likes of Trump and people like him fade away we are f****d !…….like, f****d !

So, imho, I think it’s damn sure we better pick a side.

Muslims messing with us?

I get the sentiment completely mate, in that we have areas in this country that are changed forever because of Muslim communities... but smashing the shit out of Iran doesn't change that, in fact it will make it worse. We've got pretty much everything wrong for nigh on 40 years, we are living in the result of that.. it feels a bit like every other war in the middle east, where the end result is we smash the place to.bits (the place we want them.to stay and live), then take the bounty, oil. This war could be messier than ones before as there is real interest from every party, Iran aren't a push over especially backed by Russia and China.

I pick a side, the UK, my home, my family, my friends etc.. I hate what every politician and self serving corporate suit has done to our country as much as the next man, I pay through the nose to run a business, progress in life, take a few chances etc and there is little help from the government in fact they put barriers in the way... I can't see how this war (currently) helps any of us? Do you think once they secure the oil we will be paying 50p a litre at the pump? Of course not, theyll inflate it again and we'll pay.. my side isn't Starmer, the USA, China etc.. i just don't see where there is a side to back in this war. I also voted for Brexit to open trade deals outside of the overbearing legislation of Europe, I truly believed we'd be stronger dealing directly with China, the USA, Brazil, India and the middle east, brokering deals that are good for our country.. I know now that was naive, I know now I looked at as I do business, no middle man, direct to client, to the man who makes the decisions... I saw Europe as the middle man in our negotiations, taking a cut out of deals where they had no right...so I quite like Starmer going to China to broker deals directly (id rather it wasn't starmer, but you've got to piss with the cock you've got). I don't think we should dance to the tune of America, and Trump at the moment, I think we should protect our relationship but not say how high everytime Donald tells us to jump.

The struggle with Islam v Christianity (or the western world) is we are oil and water, there is no integration, truly, its a fallacy... but i don't believe bombing the shit out of them is the answer, where next? Saudi, Dubai, Oman? Do you really see this as death to Islam? Is that really what you want? Surely destabilising such a huge country as Iran will only have negative impacts on Europe.

Agreed on every politician is a traitor etc, ive watched the debates on here with interest regards Reform, Restore etc as I think a few lads on here give done really good views on politics, I watch what I can but admit im not as informed as others... but there ain't a hope in hell I'll be voting for any of the main parties again, Boris got my vote and that's the last time ill be shafted..

I think Farage is one of the best statesman weve had for a very long time, he talks well, he is intelligent and knows about business and what's required to grow one.. but hes beginning to be compromised imo with how he is growing his party, and the direction he is going...so picking a side? I think we are all pretty much on the same side in what we would like, I guess its how you go about getting there 

Edited Tuesday at 12:44 by NEWKID

[Born Hunter 18,089]

The reality is that the most stable price at the pump for us is about 1.30 a litre. Less than that means the oil industry is struggling and will probably stop investing leading to an undersupply later on and a price boom. If you want to get the price at the pump down in a sustainable way either we need a game changing technology to arrive or the government need to cut the tax.

[Lenmcharristar 10,663]

5 hours ago, chartpolski said:

What if Trump is deliberately showing Europe to be woefully under prepared and weakly led ?

What if he’s showing that Europe can’t be trusted to step up and if so, why should America fund NATO and defend Europe at great expense when they won’t step up to the plate ?

He made a point of saying yesterday that the US has 45.000troops in Germany.

He doesn’t need a few mine sweepers from us but would like them as a show of willing and unity.  Politically he also needs them to show the American people that it’s not just America and Isreal going at it alone.

Maybe a prelude to pulling out of NATO ?

Who knows ? 
Cheers.

Thats how i see it, he has exposed how weak and pathetic we have become and also exposed out extremist left leaders across the world, if he pulls out of nato the USA is safe, are we?? And smarmer the queer will then push for rejoining the eussr for security reasons as the excuse. When they cant even defend their own borders and seas from chimps and camel jockeys ffs, trump is exposing there is no unity and more fool downing street

[WILF 52,874]

3 hours ago, NEWKID said:

Muslims messing with us?

I get the sentiment completely mate, in that we have areas in this country that are changed forever because of Muslim communities... but smashing the shit out of Iran doesn't change that, in fact it will make it worse. We've got pretty much everything wrong for nigh on 40 years, we are living in the result of that.. it feels a bit like every other war in the middle east, where the end result is we smash the place to.bits (the place we want them.to stay and live), then take the bounty, oil. This war could be messier than ones before as there is real interest from every party, Iran aren't a push over especially backed by Russia and China.

I pick a side, the UK, my home, my family, my friends etc.. I hate what every politician and self serving corporate suit has done to our country as much as the next man, I pay through the nose to run a business, progress in life, take a few chances etc and there is little help from the government in fact they put barriers in the way... I can't see how this war (currently) helps any of us? Do you think once they secure the oil we will be paying 50p a litre at the pump? Of course not, theyll inflate it again and we'll pay.. my side isn't Starmer, the USA, China etc.. i just don't see where there is a side to back in this war. I also voted for Brexit to open trade deals outside of the overbearing legislation of Europe, I truly believed we'd be stronger dealing directly with China, the USA, Brazil, India and the middle east, brokering deals that are good for our country.. I know now that was naive, I know now I looked at as I do business, no middle man, direct to client, to the man who makes the decisions... I saw Europe as the middle man in our negotiations, taking a cut out of deals where they had no right...so I quite like Starmer going to China to broker deals directly (id rather it wasn't starmer, but you've got to piss with the cock you've got). I don't think we should dance to the tune of America, and Trump at the moment, I think we should protect our relationship but not say how high everytime Donald tells us to jump.

The struggle with Islam v Christianity (or the western world) is we are oil and water, there is no integration, truly, its a fallacy... but i don't believe bombing the shit out of them is the answer, where next? Saudi, Dubai, Oman? Do you really see this as death to Islam? Is that really what you want? Surely destabilising such a huge country as Iran will only have negative impacts on Europe.

Agreed on every politician is a traitor etc, ive watched the debates on here with interest regards Reform, Restore etc as I think a few lads on here give done really good views on politics, I watch what I can but admit im not as informed as others... but there ain't a hope in hell I'll be voting for any of the main parties again, Boris got my vote and that's the last time ill be shafted..

I think Farage is one of the best statesman weve had for a very long time, he talks well, he is intelligent and knows about business and what's required to grow one.. but hes beginning to be compromised imo with how he is growing his party, and the direction he is going...so picking a side? I think we are all pretty much on the same side in what we would like, I guess its how you go about getting there 

I dont have the answers mate, but you know those times when you just think “f**k this” and throw a chair across the dance floor for no other reason than to start carnage…..this feels like the right time for that, as in, not this specific event but this period in history.

It time to f**k everything up and see what happens….jmho of course.