Ice shooting

[mackem 31,292]

6 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

 

Oi Forest,hope you ain’t insinuating I am a leftie

[Born Hunter 18,008]

6 minutes ago, mackem said:

He is actually allowed to carry,he had a CWP and was 100% legal,the team of ice members who were involved in the debacle were out of Minnesota within 24 hours,sent elsewhere,the guy had both hands on the ground and was actually unarmed when he was shot,his weapon had been taken away.

I get that he was carrying legally. But that alone will escalate everything. Even when one weapon has been removed.

I only know what I’ve seen on the videos.  It looked messy but by no means a clean case.

[mackem 31,292]

Just now, Born Hunter said:

I get that he was carrying legally. But that alone will escalate everything. Even when one weapon has been removed.

I only know what I’ve seen on the videos.  It looked messy but by no means a clean case.

Yes mate he has been checked out thoroughly 100% legal I guess someone had an itchy trigger finger and that was the signal for the other 9 shots.

[mackem 31,292]

On 24/01/2026 at 18:09, mackem said:

It’s the official line,I am watching it on news now he turned up with a pistol and no ID,cops tried to disarm him and he was shot,remember the 2A was originally for citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government but this guy was shot because he had (not brandished)HAD a gun,this is the guy who just gave the news conference…..

Been removed as head of ICE in Minnesota and sent to California also DHS have suspended access to his social media accounts.

[TOMO 30,160]

Well put Andrew 

 

[TOMO 30,160]

Where's one for jukel123 

 

[WILF 52,106]

13 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I get that he was carrying legally. But that alone will escalate everything. Even when one weapon has been removed.

I only know what I’ve seen on the videos.  It looked messy but by no means a clean case.

 

13 hours ago, mackem said:

Yes mate he has been checked out thoroughly 100% legal I guess someone had an itchy trigger finger and that was the signal for the other 9 shots.

Here is what I said to my Mrs who was all like “oh, that’s awful what they have done to that poor man”

My GUESS is that on the video it looks like one agent removes the weapon, a second agent (the shooter) has his back half turned dealing with something else.

He turns back and sees his colleagues in a violent struggle and then spots the empty hip holster (all in the video)……now, my GUESS is that now this bloke has to assume that the man on the floor has managed to draw his weapon and he don’t take any chances, he draws and wastes him believing him and his colleagues life to be in danger. 
I think when you get through the smoke and mirrors of false outrage (no such outrage for spades offing each other in record numbers daily ?!) it’s as open and shut as that.

I think that is totally understandable and fair, what’s the alternative ?….wait and find out when this dude shoots one of your mates ? 
Nah, it’s perfectly logical and above board from what the video shows me. 

Edited 3 hours ago by WILF

[TRUEBRIT66 2,406]

6 minutes ago, WILF said:

 

Here is what I said to my Mrs who was all like “oh, that’s awful what they have done to that poor man”

My GUESS is that on the video it looks like one agent removes the weapon, a second agent (the shooter) has his back half turned dealing with something else.

He turns back and sees his colleagues in a violent struggle and then spots the empty hip holster (all in the video)……now, my GUESS is that now this bloke has to assume that the man on the floor has managed to draw his weapon and he don’t take any chances, he draws and wastes him believing him and his colleagues life to be in danger. 
I think when you get through the smoke and mirrors of false outrage (no such outrage for spades offing each other in record numbers daily ?!) it’s as open and shut as that.

I think that is totally understandable and fair, what’s the alternative ?….wait and find out when this dude shoots one of your mates ? 
Nah, it’s perfectly logical and above board from what the video shows me. 

I stumbled across a vid on youtube where the incident was slowed down. It showed a Ice agent identify the shot guys gun, he grabs it shouts "gun, gun,gun" another agent unholsters his gun and as the agent with the shot guys gun walks away with it it looks like it accidently fires into the floor. The other agent obviously hears the shot and lets rip. I will see if I can find it and post it up.

Anyway going to a protest with a gun and 51 rounds of ammo with the sole intent of blocking law enforcement officers is asking for trouble regardless of your constitutional rights 

 

[Lenmcharristar 10,533]

13 hours ago, mackem said:

Yes mate he has been checked out thoroughly 100% legal I guess someone had an itchy trigger finger and that was the signal for the other 9 shots.

remember too lads the governor of this state is called tampon tim, he only wanted to put tampons in boys toilets and show them how to use them??? I mean what the fook is that about? So is it any wonder this sacrificial has done his job, now it distracts why ice are there in the 1st place aswell as the somali pirate child care scams, never mind the rest of the scams to extort tax payers money, this shooting is like giving the demorats a viagra, now watch and see when the black panthers turn up to protest, mass looting default setting

[TRUEBRIT66 2,406]

18 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I stumbled across a vid on youtube where the incident was slowed down. It showed a Ice agent identify the shot guys gun, he grabs it shouts "gun, gun,gun" another agent unholsters his gun and as the agent with the shot guys gun walks away with it it looks like it accidently fires into the floor. The other agent obviously hears the shot and lets rip. I will see if I can find it and post it up.

Anyway going to a protest with a gun and 51 rounds of ammo with the sole intent of blocking law enforcement officers is asking for trouble regardless of your constitutional rights 

 

  

 

[Born Hunter 18,008]

27 minutes ago, WILF said:

 

Here is what I said to my Mrs who was all like “oh, that’s awful what they have done to that poor man”

My GUESS is that on the video it looks like one agent removes the weapon, a second agent (the shooter) has his back half turned dealing with something else.

He turns back and sees his colleagues in a violent struggle and then spots the empty hip holster (all in the video)……now, my GUESS is that now this bloke has to assume that the man on the floor has managed to draw his weapon and he don’t take any chances, he draws and wastes him believing him and his colleagues life to be in danger. 
I think when you get through the smoke and mirrors of false outrage (no such outrage for spades offing each other in record numbers daily ?!) it’s as open and shut as that.

I think that is totally understandable and fair, what’s the alternative ?….wait and find out when this dude shoots one of your mates ? 
Nah, it’s perfectly logical and above board from what the video shows me. 

I think there’s heaps of possible scenarios that play out as “lawful”. I think, like when you deploy the military to war, when you deploy LEOs at this level and with such opposition there will be a small number of tragic outcomes for one reason or another.

As always LEOs could almost certainly be better trained and this scenario will most likely be studied and have an impact on tactics moving forwards. The Feds certainly don’t want more of this but equally aren’t going to allow it to stop legitimate and legal law enforcement. And you can’t wait for the perfect training to be created.

Equally, he took a firearm (legal) to a ‘protest’, actively involved himself in civil disobedience/obstruction, and resisted when things got physical. All those things are increasing your risk of being the next tragedy.

Everyone should just chill out and support an investigation. The politics behind this shit doesn’t help true justice.

[Lenmcharristar 10,533]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

I think there’s heaps of possible scenarios that play out as “lawful”. I think, like when you deploy the military to war, when you deploy LEOs at this level and with such opposition there will be a small number of tragic outcomes for one reason or another.

As always LEOs could almost certainly be better trained and this scenario will most likely be studied and have an impact on tactics moving forwards. The Feds certainly don’t want more of this but equally aren’t going to allow it to stop legitimate and legal law enforcement. And you can’t wait for the perfect training to be created.

Equally, he took a firearm (legal) to a ‘protest’, actively involved himself in civil disobedience/obstruction, and resisted when things got physical. All those things are increasing your risk of being the next tragedy.

Everyone should just chill out and support an investigation. The politics behind this shit doesn’t help true justice.

Yeah thats calmer heads prevail situation, however, this is the deranged left they are dealing with, truthfully there will be a lot more of these useful idiots sacrificed before its all over

[WILF 52,106]

Just now, Lenmcharristar said:

Yeah thats calmer heads prevail situation, however, this is the deranged left they are dealing with, truthfully there will be a lot more of these useful idiots sacrificed before its all over

Good, the more the merrier ! lol 

[Lenmcharristar 10,533]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

Good, the more the merrier ! lol 

Exactly

[Born Hunter 18,008]

I genuinely want to see a similar operation in the UK. I suspect far more of our illegals are genuine drains on, and threats to, society. However…

I think the story is slightly different in the US. Without doubt open borders is an utter catastrophe. But there are far too many reasonable citizens who know and work with illegal migrants who are not on board with what ICE are tasked with. Simply because the illegals they know and work with positively contribute and frankly should probably be accepted as legal migrants. There’s always two sides to these things and I think it’s more complex than “deluded lefties”. For sure there is a whole heap of absolutely mental leftists pushing a “nazi” narrative but I think there’s a genuine decent movement as well that want to see a more moderate illegal immigrant policy. And frankly certain sectors in the us economy will require it to maintain growth. 

The sad thing is that to counter years of madness you can’t be too moderate. It was never progress but a pendulum swinging. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Born Hunter