Reform

[Greyman 33,786]

9 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

I get what your saying....but I disagree, I think Nigel farages reform is the only chance of change , even if it's just a step further towards that change. 

Also the trump was big enough to not need politics all it’s done is make him a target for every nutter on the planet he done it because he saw the way the democrats were taking his country and saw the need for change 

[Bendigo 2,106]

7 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

And maybe you’re right who knows. All we have are opinions. I feel sorry for your wife trying to run a business in a sector squeezed so tight when it’s a sector where no expense should be spared. Magnier JP McManus among others are billionaires who pumped money into care homes and the care sector. I’m sure they get their healthy dividends every year without fail while the real back bone of it all such as your wife are left to fight for scraps constantly being told the funds just aren’t there. Hopefully when it’s all said and done and we face the man above your wife will be waved through the door and those fuckers are turned away.  Jukel and myself will be sharing a pint and a chaser in heavens bar while WILF will be sentenced to splitting stones for eternity with his billionaire pals and hitler 

That's where I disagree....my wife isn't fighting for scraps, she can earn enough.....if only red tape, legislation, quangos, massive legal liabilities and taxes were cut. 

I've just made a 7 grand tax payment and I've got another payment to make. And I'm no big earner! And as much as I don't trust big businessmen I trust them a damn lot more than the political left. 

Stop taking our money and giving it to scum that will never contribute!!!!

[paddyluke 881]

16 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Also the trump was big enough to not need politics all it’s done is make him a target for every nutter on the planet he done it because he saw the way the democrats were taking his country and saw the need for change 

is trump any different from Andrew windsor or peter mandelson who are nonces? 

[tatsblisters 11,390]

Agree with a lot of different points on this thread and regarding tax and national insurance contributions how can this be right on my monthly minimum wage payment of less than 2 grand a month especially NI contributions as a 65 year old who's paid enough stamps to qualify for a full state pension. 

[.357shooter 1,454]

We all the the clowns in charge have to pay for the tidal wave of shite that they are bringing into our country .

[Greyman 33,786]

1 hour ago, paddyluke said:

is trump any different from Andrew windsor or peter mandelson who are nonces? 

That’s a question I’d expect from the bbc mate ,  there is evidence of Andrew and Mandy’s wrong doings all we have on trump  is hearsay, it’s not hard to understand the value of one solid piece of evidence to put trump in with the pedos everyone wants it everyone’s looking for it so we’re is it, I need evidence not accusations that’s how you are fooled over and over again 

[jukel123 10,211]

30 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

Agree with a lot of different points on this thread and regarding tax and national insurance contributions how can this be right on my monthly minimum wage payment of less than 2 grand a month especially NI contributions as a 65 year old who's paid enough stamps to qualify for a full state pension. 

That can't be right. 

If you are earning 24000 a year. 12500 is free of tax.

That leaves 11500 which is taxable at 20%.

20% of 11500 is 2230.

So you owe 2230 a year.

Divide 2230 by 12..(.months) and you get 185.

£185 is what you should pay per month.

?.??

 

[WILF 52,475]

4 hours ago, Halfhound said:

Do you really think the likes of supermarkets meat processors and hotels would pay people even half decent money if they didn’t have to?

I believe they would pay wages commensurate with the ability to find staff coupled with a rate for the particular skill set.

So, if you are doing the job of a monkey and there’s a million monkeys lined up behind you waiting to do your job….then they will pay what they feel like paying.

They don’t have to give you more but then again you don’t have to do the job…..in a thriving economy there would be other opportunity, you just leave !……unless of course that’s your level in which case you’re probably happy as a f***ing sand boy to be earning a few quid. 

4 hours ago, Halfhound said:

Industries with a long history of huge profits up top and everyone else barely scraping by.

There’s nothing wrong with profit and the more the merrier…..industry don’t control the cost of living, government does that !

Included in that cost of living is tax, tax, tax and house prices ! 
If making a pencil pays £10 an hour it has no relation to the fact it costs £25 an hour to live in an area. 

4 hours ago, Halfhound said:

If the minimum wage was scrapped I’d imagine immigration would go off the scale and it would be a case of it would be better to sit at home and claim than work. You’ll say it already is the case but it would be even worse. It would be a disaster for everyone people need to be protected. 

Again, Everyone talks like we are powerless to change immigration !……we are talking about a deliberately engineered system with many different parts, I’m saying the whole thing is broken not just one part. 
 

Get the government out of peoples lives, restore our habitat to its correct level, watch it go !

[tatsblisters 11,390]

10 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

That can't be right. 

If you are earning 24000 a year. 12500 is free of tax.

That leaves 11500 which is taxable at 20%.

20% of 11500 is 2230.

So you owe 2230 a year.

Divide 2230 by 12..(.months) and you get 185.

£185 is what you should pay per month.

?.??

 

I also get 400 pound a month mine workers pension that tax is took off my wages instead of the pension giving me a tax code of 728T. Its the NI contribution i find unfair tbh at my age.

[WILF 52,475]

Like many lads here, I grew up in a time before minimum wage and “fairness” and all that old bollocks…..

I started on building sites when I was 16 as the labourer as I’m sure many lads did, but it didn’t take 2 weeks to work out that there’s a thousand labourers and a floor screeder, plasterer, Bricklayer, Carpenter earns more and there wasn’t as many of them !

So, again like lots of other lads, I worked a bit harder and a bit faster, bought myself some tools and jumped in and learned as I went….plenty of trades were happy to help you if you had an attitude like that.

So then, I could get by soing various trades, indeed for a few years I plastered and rendered and dry lined and did metal stud.

I could set out brickwork and do basic builds to a decent enough standard.

I could do lots of things well enough to get a living and I wasn’t the labourer no more……I suspect that’s the story of lots of lads.

If being the labourer warrants the same pay as the bricklayer, guess what ?….nobody bothers to be the brick layer and f**k all gets built because there is no incentive !

Meanwhile, the lads that did none of that stayed the labourer until they were 50 !…..that’s not unfair, it’s just their level…..it’s not good, it’s not bad, it just “is” ! 
 

Life’s not f***ing fair, that’s what makes people strive to be better !

[jukel123 10,211]

Try to remain calm, Wilf but how about introducing the employee benefits that these countries enjoy? Yes some employees take the piss and there's nothing you can do with them but they are a tiny minority. 

How about treating human beings with respect?

How about awarding them employment  rights?  

How about bullying, take _it _or _leave it  bosses, having to deal with unions and employment law?

The scenario you've just posted is the law of the jungle. Where an employee is a piece of shit.

I've worked in places where the lowest in the hierarchy are bullied and taken the piss out of non stop. Some at the very bottom have learning needs and isms  etc. They deserve protection and respect from hyenas.

Profits can be made where employees are valued, encouraged and given status. Your way is the take it or leave it, f**k off you're _not _having_ a _morning_ off _to take your kid to hospital way. The you're a piece of shit and don't forget it way.

Folk will criticise my post I'm sure.  Even people with shit jobs,no respect and no rights." Lefty wokist bollox etc". But people in civilised countries enjoy the above benefits by right. And their economies do a lot better than ours.

Now deep breaths Wilf.

https://hellopebl.com/resources/blog/how-hr-leaders-can-learn-from-the-top-10-countries-for-employee-benefits/

Edited 14 hours ago by jukel123

[WILF 52,475]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Try to remain calm, Wilf but how about introducing the employee benefits that these countries enjoy? Yes some employees take the piss and there's nothing ypu can do with them but they are a tiny minority. 
 

First and foremost it’s different views of a thing mate, what I do know is, from what I can see as we have become more regulated things have got worse…..everywhere……and when something appears to be the wrong path, we should just stop doing it !

Now, into you above point, if someone’s a wanker why should anyone be handing them a living ?…..there is one absolute truth in the workplace (and in many team things) and that is one bad Apple fucks the whole barrel ! You have to get them gone, fast !

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

How about treating human beings with respect?

Respect should be earned not given

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

How about awarding them employment  rights?  
 

Employment should be earned, the better you are the more you are valued 

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

How about bullying, take _it _or _leave it  bosses, having to deal with unions and employment law?

They are only take it or leave it in places where the replacements are two a penny…..nobody is take it or leave it with really good, valued, essential people….they are like rocking horse shit.

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

The scenario you've just posted is the law of the jungle. Where an employee is a piece of shit.

No, he isn’t, the employee is whatever he chooses to be….he can be worthless or he can increase his value….its the law of self improvement and personal pride 

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

I've worked in places where the lowest in the hierarchy are bullied and taken the piss out of non stop. Some at the very bottom have learning needs and isms  etc. They deserve protection and respect from hyenas.

I chased 3 brickies round a scaffold with a shovel when they tried that shit with me and I was only a kid, point is, everyone has the power to say “f**k off, don’t talk to me like that” and if there is plenty of opportunity they can just walk out and do something else…..tax and regulation relentlessly stifle that opportunity !

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Profits can be made where employees are valued, encouraged and given status. Your way is the take it or leave it, f**k off you're _not _having_ a _morning_ off _to take your kid to hospital way. The you're a piece of shit and don't forget it way.

No, it’s not, you’ve put two and two together and come up with 7 !…..everyone respects people who earn respect, you don’t treat people you respect that way or you loose them.

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Folk will criticise my post I'm sure.  Even people with shit jobs,no respect and no rights." Lefty wokist bollox etc". But people in civilised countries enjoy the above benefits by right. And their economies do a lot better than ours.

How many times do you need to be told, this framework has sent Europe skint !……what part of skint don’t you understand ?

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Now deep breaths Wilf.

https://hellopebl.com/resources/blog/how-hr-leaders-can-learn-from-the-top-10-countries-for-employee-benefits/

What they can learn is how to put the next 6 generations in hock to investment banks you tit ! lol 

It’s f****d !….as in, f****d ! Period !

[Halfhound 1,042]

13 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Try to remain calm, Wilf but how about introducing the employee benefits that these countries enjoy? Yes some employees take the piss and there's nothing ypu can do with them but they are a tiny minority. 

How about treating human beings with respect?

How about awarding them employment  rights?  

How about bullying, take _it _or _leave it  bosses, having to deal with unions and employment law?

The scenario you've just posted is the law of the jungle. Where an employee is a piece of shit.

I've worked in places where the lowest in the hierarchy are bullied and taken the piss out of non stop. Some at the very bottom have learning needs and isms  etc. They deserve protection and respect from hyenas.

Profits can be made where employees are valued, encouraged and given status. Your way is the take it or leave it, f**k off you're _not _having_ a _morning_ off _to take your kid to hospital way. The you're a piece of shit and don't forget it way.

Folk will criticise my post I'm sure.  Even people with shit jobs,no respect and no rights." Lefty wokist bollox etc". But people in civilised countries enjoy the above benefits by right. And their economies do a lot better than ours.

Now deep breaths Wilf.

https://hellopebl.com/resources/blog/how-hr-leaders-can-learn-from-the-top-10-countries-for-employee-benefits/

I think WILF likes to talk a good game but if these scenarios he talks about landed at his door he would change his tune. Only a week or so ago he was talking about how we were at our best when we believed in women and children first. The weakest in society should be protected. Someone with a learning difficulty for example should be able to get a job that can help them live an independent life. These are people who are members of peoples families who need to be respected in the world not a terrier that spits out a fox. 

[jukel123 10,211]

1 minute ago, Halfhound said:

I think WILF likes to talk a good game but if these scenarios he talks about landed at his door he would change his tune. Only a week or so ago he was talking about how we were at our best when we believed in women and children first. The weakest in society should be protected. Someone with a learning difficulty for example should be able to get a job that can help them live an independent life. These are people who are members of peoples families who need to be respected in the world not a terrier that spits out a fox. 

I think you're right. He comes out with some outlandish stuff but his bark is worse than  his bite.

He's quite cuddly some days lol. 

[WILF 52,475]

2 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

I think WILF likes to talk a good game but if these scenarios he talks about landed at his door he would change his tune. Only a week or so ago he was talking about how we were at our best when we believed in women and children first. The weakest in society should be protected. Someone with a learning difficulty for example should be able to get a job that can help them live an independent life. These are people who are members of peoples families who need to be respected in the world not a terrier that spits out a fox. 

Again, with respect you have no idea what ever landed at my door and I’d hazard a guess you’ve never seen the like of it because not many people have….but hey, still here, having this chat so it’s fine and there is people had to deal with much worse…..I don’t need to dry my eyes. 
 

Do you think the weakest are being treated properly now ?….like really ?

We live in the most taxed and regulated society and they are still getting treated like shit……your emperor hasn’t got any f***ing clothes on mate ! 
Give people their money back, then we ain’t got to rely on the state to make a shit job of looking after them….

Christian conservatism….the clue is in the name !