Reform

[WILF 51,017]

45 minutes ago, scotty12 said:

Is it also true reform councils have agreed to put the council tax up by 5 % the highest it can raise at any one time after insisting they won’t ? 

 

36 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Haven’t some Labour councils been given permission to raise council tax by up to 20% ?

Councils need huge overhaul, many of them, of all political persuasion’s ,are bankrupt or going bankrupt.

Reform councils are having their finances scrutinised and things like DEI are being scrapped to save money.

Cheers.

It’s fine if people are getting 5% worth of improvement !…..what’s not fine is if it’s a smoke and mirrors job where they raise it 5% and then implement 20% of cuts which in reality raises it 25% !..

Thats what Labour and Tory councils have been doing and we need to have a close look to see if it’s “same people, same mindset” 

Don’t be disappointed if it is, the jobs f****d anyway so you haven’t lost anything ! lol 

All you need to do is mark your homework honestly ;) 

[jukel123 9,666]

21 minutes ago, mackem said:

How did he create them Juk?

I don't like all these career politicians playing musical chairs and jumping ship to stay in the game.

Pre brexit there was a European directive, namely the Dublin 111 agreement. This stipulated that migrants could be sent back to the European country from which they had travelled.

After brexit, that agreement came to an abrupt end. So migrants, understandably, piled into dinghies knowing they could not legally be sent back.

 

[WILF 51,017]

1 hour ago, Bendigo said:

Genuine people won't get a look in?

Unfortunately it's not that simple. I'm a decent, moral, hard working man.....yet I won't stand as, like you, and most of us , I've lived a normal life and voiced normal opinions and humor over the years......hence if I had any success I'd be destroyed in the media. 

 

And here is the crux of the matter, if it isn’t blokes like you mate then who is it ?……I’ll tell you who, all the same f***ing arseholes !

Blokes like you I’d vote for, scum like them I wouldn’t and I don’t think anyone else should either !

[WILF 51,017]

8 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Pre brexit there was a European directive, namely the Dublin 111 agreement. This stipulated that migrants could be sent back to the European country from which they had travelled.

After brexit, that agreement came to an abrupt end. So migrants, understandably, piled into dinghies knowing they could not legally be sent back.

 

In fairness that’s a fairly loose description mate, it was you could if you wanted to and the other country and the EU agreed !

[WILF 51,017]

49 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Yes I agree. Politics is most often about blatant  hypocrisy. And having the gall to justify absolute lies.

Do you remember Thatcher first utterance?

"  Where there is discord,may we bring harmony...... Where there is despair may we bring hope"

She then went on to declare war on ordinary people and completely demoralise the UK. A demolarisation we are still suffering from today.

Same with Farage. He CREATED what Labour are now belatedly calling the 'Farage boats', whilst calling for cuts to immigration.

Not forgetting Johnstone who created the 'Boris Wave' an ENORMOUS amount of non European migration after brexit. Remember he promised  to "get a grip" on immigration.

If a politician promises one thing. Be sure they will deliver the exact opposite.

I’ve had this conversation with Tats on here, at the time of the miners I was unashamedly Scargill is a commie, f**k the unions as I read and absorbed the narrative……but f**k me, I’d like to think after 40 years of betrayal and access to so much information that I’m better informed now and I know we are all smart with hindsight but we should have supported the mining communities and they should have seen through the people leading them like we should have seen through the people leading us.

Killing them was also killing us

[mackem 29,958]

27 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Pre brexit there was a European directive, namely the Dublin 111 agreement. This stipulated that migrants could be sent back to the European country from which they had travelled.

After brexit, that agreement came to an abrupt end. So migrants, understandably, piled into dinghies knowing they could not legally be sent back.

My take on that is a little different Juk,Farage “Mr Brexit” is an easy scapegoat “It’s Farages fault we can’t return the boat people because he promoted and got brexit through”.Prior to Brexit how many were returned to France after arriving in the UK on Lorry’s (the common method pre-boats)?Do you have the stats?

I actually had a premonition,an inkling boats would be used to cross the channel back in 2015,I have been to Calais a few times,saw the hordes waiting their chance in trucks,but security was tightening up and it was a slow method of moving people and your bottlenecked in,funnelled through the port with border farce,dogs and CO2 probes.2015 I heard of the huge number of Syrians flowing across the eastern med from turkey to Greece in small boats,I remember thinking that would be the ideal method to cross the channel,the evolution of illegal immigrant movement,Farage in my mind didn’t produce the channel boats,opportunity and experience did.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,469]

Did anyone watch kellie brights programme on autism and ehcp this week ? 

ehcp cases have increased by 80% since 2019 to nearly 850 k in the uk 

that councillor sat and said that funding ehcps in West Sussex is literally taking money from roads that need re tarmaced 

No mention of the millions wasted and spent on numerous lgbtq and immigrant related schemes 

These dogs should never be allowed to forget what they have said 

 

[WILF 51,017]

 

[chartpolski 28,422]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Pre brexit there was a European directive, namely the Dublin 111 agreement. This stipulated that migrants could be sent back to the European country from which they had travelled.

After brexit, that agreement came to an abrupt end. So migrants, understandably, piled into dinghies knowing they could not legally be sent back.

 

It’s a fact that the UK received far more immigrants from the EU than the Uk returned to the EU through the Dublin Agreement.

After Brexit we became able to control our immigration, that we chose not to and Boris allowed massive waves of immigration is hardly Farages fault. He wasn’t in power.

”Farage boats” and “Farage flirted with the Hitler Youth” are just desperate attempts by Labour to smear him, but most aren’t falling for it.

Will Reform be perfect ? Of course not. Will they be better than the legacy parties ? I can only hope so, but I can’t see them being worse.

Cheers.

[TRUEBRIT66 2,186]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Pre brexit there was a European directive, namely the Dublin 111 agreement. This stipulated that migrants could be sent back to the European country from which they had travelled.

After brexit, that agreement came to an abrupt end. So migrants, understandably, piled into dinghies knowing they could not legally be sent back.

 

Mate that's been proved incorrect plenty of studies show the impact of Brexit is likely to have been minimal. It was reported on MSM a couple of weeks back that there were actually more sent back after Brexit.

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[WILF 51,017]

2 hours ago, chartpolski said:

I would vote for an independent that had the same police’s as myself if I couldn’t vote Reform. 
As for signing letters, almost three million of us have signed the petition not to have digital ID and Labour will take as much notice of that as they will of the letter you mention; none whatsoever !

Farage couldn’t be clearer, him and Reform are 100% against it.

Except they are not are they, Bendingo just said it himself “If they had spent a lot of money on it we would keep it….but only of course for things you want to hear” lol 

If they were against it they would say, don’t let them waste all this money because we will just do away with it whatever happens !…..there, simple !

You do away with bad things, period !……and if you don’t then you are as guilty as the last bloke. 

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I look at things quite stoically, The Tories had 14 years and lied continually to us, Labour are destroying the country because of left wing ideology, the Lib Dem’s would completely ignore the biggest democratic vote in the history of this country and take us , cap in hand, straight back into the EU, hardly Liberal or Democratic!

What part of “it will be the same Tory’s if we don’t stop this nonsense” don’t you get mate ?……The logic is “If Kier Starmer joined Reform next year we’d vote for him because he is one of us now” ?…….seriously ?

Im not the sharpest tool in the box but I don’t believe it. 

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As I keep saying, what is the alternative, with the voting system we have ?

An honest vote ?……a vote where we don’t have to tell ourselves a story to make us feel ok about it ?……there’s plenty of alternatives in reality.

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For me, Reform is the only alternative, and I broadly agree with all their policies.

If someone can offer a better alternative, I’d certainly consider it.

Cheers.

That’s totally fair, if you are a broadly status quo type person then that makes total sense mate 

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[chartpolski 28,422]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Except they are not are they, Bendingo just said it himself “If they had spent a lot of money on it we would keep it….but only of course for things you want to hear” lol 

If they were against it they would say, don’t let them waste all this money because we will just do away with it whatever happens !…..there, simple !

You do away with bad things, period !……and if you don’t then you are as guilty as the last bloke. 

What part of “it will be the same Tory’s if we don’t stop this nonsense” don’t you get mate ?……The logic is “If Kier Starmer joined Reform next year we’d vote for him because he is one of us now” ?…….seriously ?

Im not the sharpest tool in the box but I don’t believe it. 

An honest vote ?……a vote where we don’t have to tell ourselves a story to make us feel ok about it ?……there’s plenty of alternatives in reality.

That’s totally fair, if you are a broadly status quo type person then that makes total sense mate 

Of course I could be wrong, but I’ve only heard Farage say he is 100% against digital ID. If he DID say that if the money had been spent implementing it , he would only use it for immigrants and not the general population, that seems pretty sensible to me.

As for the status quo, no, I’m not for it, that’s why I will vote for Reform in the hope they will overturn the status quo.

Wilf, I get that you think they are all the same, but you still don’t give me any viable alternative under the present system .

”Possible improvement is better than impossible perfection” , I don’t know who said that; maybe I just made it up

Cheers.

 

[saluki bouy 866]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Yes I agree. Politics is most often about blatant  hypocrisy. And having the gall to justify absolute lies.

Do you remember Thatcher first utterance?

"  Where there is discord,may we bring harmony...... Where there is despair may we bring hope"

She then went on to declare war on ordinary people and completely demoralise the UK. A demolarisation we are still suffering from today.

Same with Farage. He CREATED what Labour are now belatedly calling the 'Farage boats', whilst calling for cuts to immigration.

Not forgetting Johnstone who created the 'Boris Wave' an ENORMOUS amount of non European migration after brexit. Remember he promised  to "get a grip" on immigration.

If a politician promises one thing. Be sure they will deliver the exact opposite.

Tell me she never claimed those words as her own? It’s straight out the prayer of St Francis 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,186]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

And here is the crux of the matter, if it isn’t blokes like you mate then who is it ?……I’ll tell you who, all the same f***ing arseholes !

Blokes like you I’d vote for, scum like them I wouldn’t and I don’t think anyone else should either !

Isn't that happening though Darren Grimes, David Bull, Vanessa Frake and Collin Sutton for example ?

I don't think its great look having so many Tories coming across but how many of these council defections are right of the Tories and feel Reform are a better fit, we don't know them, they are not known faces and never had Reform as an option previously.  Truthfully I think Reform need some "career politicians" in the ranks, people who are aware of the workings of things, what would be good is a few more Labour defections to really shake things up.   

[Daniel cain 49,389]

Don't sit right with me...allowing the same clowns that have f****d us...back in , under a different nameI have a feeling that if Reform do get in....they will sell us out quicker than any other party before them.... they will go down in history for it....watch this space