Reform

[WILF 51,020]

I see Reform have welcomed about 10 more ex Tory councillors into the fold this morning….no doubt this means genuine people who wasn’t part of this catastrophe won’t get a look in and a shot at representing the people.

Same people, same mindset ! 
 

I also notice they didn’t sign an open letter to the prime minister condemning digital ID !……Rupert Lowe did, James McMurdock did…..but no sign of Farage, Anderson, Pochin or Tice ?? 
 

Hhmmmm……..

[jukel123 9,668]

I think the vast majority of the voting age people in England feel lost..disenfranchised . None of the parties have any design to improve our lot.

Tories are almost extinct.

Labour have shown themselves to be a bunch of incompetent fuckwits with no mission or direction.

Liberals continue to be irrelevant.

And Reform are the tories under a new name. Despite the media coverage they get, they only have 5 MPs.

So who to vote for next time round?

Under a democracy we are supposed to have a choice.  We do . Somewhere between a rock and a hard place.

[mel b 3,952]

2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I think the vast majority of the voting age people in England feel lost..disenfranchised . None of the parties have any design to improve our lot.

Tories are almost extinct.

Labour have shown themselves to be a bunch of incompetent fuckwits with no mission or direction.

Liberals continue to be irrelevant.

And Reform are the tories under a new name. Despite the media coverage they get, they only have 5 MPs.

So who to vote for next time round?

Under a democracy we are supposed to have a choice.  We do . Somewhere between a rock and a hard place.

That sums it all up perfectly .

[WILF 51,020]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I think the vast majority of the voting age people in England feel lost..disenfranchised . None of the parties have any design to improve our lot.

Tories are almost extinct.

Labour have shown themselves to be a bunch of incompetent fuckwits with no mission or direction.

Liberals continue to be irrelevant.

And Reform are the tories under a new name. Despite the media coverage they get, they only have 5 MPs.

So who to vote for next time round?

Under a democracy we are supposed to have a choice.  We do . Somewhere between a rock and a hard place.

Well mate, I guess there are 497 other registered political party’s to choose from and as far as I can see the thing everyone is voting for come next election is either:

Destroy the two main party’s in peoples perception (it’s obviously not in reality if all the same people are back in office just under a different name) 

Or…..

Vote honestly if there is a candidate that aligns with your views knowing it’s a waste but giving you the benefit of a clear conscience 

Other than that, just don’t bother and let the whole mess go wherever it’s going……which also may not be a bad strategy.

If I was still there and voting I’d be lucky in that my MP would be James McMurdock who is Indy and was elected as what Reform started as, namely a normal bloke who was disillusioned with the main party’s and had not previously had any party affiliation or role…..so I could vote for him and be OK with it.

But, I’d never vote for an ex main party elected official, not all the time I had a hole in my arse ! 
f**k them, shower of traitors !

[chartpolski 28,425]

42 minutes ago, WILF said:

I see Reform have welcomed about 10 more ex Tory councillors into the fold this morning….no doubt this means genuine people who wasn’t part of this catastrophe won’t get a look in and a shot at representing the people.

Same people, same mindset ! 
 

I also notice they didn’t sign an open letter to the prime minister condemning digital ID !……Rupert Lowe did, James McMurdock did…..but no sign of Farage, Anderson, Pochin or Tice ?? 
 

Hhmmmm……..

Farage has said Reform are 100% against digital ID and would scrap it if implemented and Reform formed the next government.

As for councillors, they are taking sitting Tory councillors and winning lots of council by-elections with Reform members.

The aim is to take control of councils and implement Reform policies.

Anderson was interviewed the other day and said they will accept only Tory’s that genuinely want Reform police’s and not Tory’s that are simply jumping ship to save their seats.

I know you have grave reservations and scepticism of Reform, but I can’t see any other alternative to the legacy parties.

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,668]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Well mate, I guess there are 497 other registered political party’s to choose from and as far as I can see the thing everyone is voting for come next election is either:

Destroy the two main party’s in peoples perception (it’s obviously not in reality if all the same people are back in office just under a different name) 

Or…..

Vote honestly if there is a candidate that aligns with your views knowing it’s a waste but giving you the benefit of a clear conscience 

Other than that, just don’t bother and let the whole mess go wherever it’s going……which also may not be a bad strategy.

If I was still there and voting I’d be lucky in that my MP would be James McMurdock who is Indy and was elected as what Reform started as, namely a normal bloke who was disillusioned with the main party’s and had not previously had any party affiliation or role…..so I could vote for him and be OK with it.

But, I’d never vote for an ex main party elected official, not all the time I had a hole in my arse ! 
f**k them, shower of traitors !

I think that's right, people are increasingly looking to vote for anything other than the main stream parties.

Youngsters are looking at the Greens.

But to me that's a wasted vote too.

The new Green leader, Zak Polanski used to be a hypnotherapist. 

He had a sideline. He used to convince women they could make their tits bigger by the power of positive thinking.

f****n charlatan, he will fit right in with the rest.

[WILF 51,020]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

Farage has said Reform are 100% against digital ID and would scrap it if implemented and Reform formed the next government.

Fair, but after so much utter betrayal from all sides, I can’t help but view not doing something so simple as game playing and I’ve had enough of that.

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

As for councillors, they are taking sitting Tory councillors and winning lots of council by-elections with Reform members.

The aim is to take control of councils and implement Reform policies.

Anderson was interviewed the other day and said they will accept only Tory’s that genuinely want Reform police’s and not Tory’s that are simply jumping ship to save their seats.

I don’t believe a word Anderson says, why would I ? 

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

I know you have grave reservations and scepticism of Reform, but I can’t see any other alternative to the legacy parties.

Cheers.

The alternative is to remind ourselves that we should not keep grasping for straws imho mate. 

[WILF 51,020]

2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I think that's right, people are increasingly looking to vote for anything other than the main stream parties.

Youngsters are looking at the Greens.

But to me that's a wasted vote too.

The new Green leader, Zak Polanski used to be a hypnotherapist. 

He had a sideline. He used to convince women they could make their tits bigger by the power of positive thinking.

f****n charlatan, he will fit right in with the rest.

The “Greens” are a classic example of being something but calling it something else…..it’s a disguise, a blatant falsehood, it’s like being a sex trafficker and calling yourself “The Sisterhood” !

There is f**k all green about the greens, they are rabid communists and traitors ! 

[Bendigo 1,228]

57 minutes ago, WILF said:

I see Reform have welcomed about 10 more ex Tory councillors into the fold this morning….no doubt this means genuine people who wasn’t part of this catastrophe won’t get a look in and a shot at representing the people.

Same people, same mindset ! 
 

I also notice they didn’t sign an open letter to the prime minister condemning digital ID !……Rupert Lowe did, James McMurdock did…..but no sign of Farage, Anderson, Pochin or Tice ?? 
 

Hhmmmm……..

Genuine people won't get a look in?

Unfortunately it's not that simple. I'm a decent, moral, hard working man.....yet I won't stand as, like you, and most of us , I've lived a normal life and voiced normal opinions and humor over the years......hence if I had any success I'd be destroyed in the media. 

On ID cards, reform are absolutely against digital ID. I think farage suggested that if millions or billions were spent setting it up then a reform government wouldn't definitely abandon it but it could be used for migrants waiting for deportation etc.

Reform are the best positive chance at the minute, there isn't another option. Always support your best option at the time. The left are uniting gays and muslims.....yet you seem to want to destroy the most positive step at the minute. It's bonkers 

[chartpolski 28,425]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Fair, but after so much utter betrayal from all sides, I can’t help but view not doing something so simple as game playing and I’ve had enough of that.

I don’t believe a word Anderson says, why would I ? 

The alternative is to remind ourselves that we should not keep grasping for straws imho mate. 

I would vote for an independent that had the same police’s as myself if I couldn’t vote Reform. 
As for signing letters, almost three million of us have signed the petition not to have digital ID and Labour will take as much notice of that as they will of the letter you mention; none whatsoever !

Farage couldn’t be clearer, him and Reform are 100% against it.

I look at things quite stoically, The Tories had 14 years and lied continually to us, Labour are destroying the country because of left wing ideology, the Lib Dem’s would completely ignore the biggest democratic vote in the history of this country and take us , cap in hand, straight back into the EU, hardly Liberal or Democratic!

As I keep saying, what is the alternative, with the voting system we have ?

For me, Reform is the only alternative, and I broadly agree with all their policies.

If someone can offer a better alternative, I’d certainly consider it.

Cheers.

[scotty12 4,073]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

I see Reform have welcomed about 10 more ex Tory councillors into the fold this morning….no doubt this means genuine people who wasn’t part of this catastrophe won’t get a look in and a shot at representing the people.

Same people, same mindset ! 
 

I also notice they didn’t sign an open letter to the prime minister condemning digital ID !……Rupert Lowe did, James McMurdock did…..but no sign of Farage, Anderson, Pochin or Tice ?? 
 

Hhmmmm……..

Is it also true reform councils have agreed to put the council tax up by 5 % the highest it can raise at any one time after insisting they won’t ? 

[chartpolski 28,425]

2 minutes ago, scotty12 said:

Is it also true reform councils have agreed to put the council tax up by 5 % the highest it can raise at any one time after insisting they won’t ? 

Haven’t some Labour councils been given permission to raise council tax by up to 20% ?

Councils need huge overhaul, many of them, of all political persuasion’s ,are bankrupt or going bankrupt.

Reform councils are having their finances scrutinised and things like DEI are being scrapped to save money.

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,668]

32 minutes ago, WILF said:

The “Greens” are a classic example of being something but calling it something else…..it’s a disguise, a blatant falsehood, it’s like being a sex trafficker and calling yourself “The Sisterhood” !

There is f**k all green about the greens, they are rabid communists and traitors ! 

Yes I agree. Politics is most often about blatant  hypocrisy. And having the gall to justify absolute lies.

Do you remember Thatcher first utterance?

"  Where there is discord,may we bring harmony...... Where there is despair may we bring hope"

She then went on to declare war on ordinary people and completely demoralise the UK. A demolarisation we are still suffering from today.

Same with Farage. He CREATED what Labour are now belatedly calling the 'Farage boats', whilst calling for cuts to immigration.

Not forgetting Johnstone who created the 'Boris Wave' an ENORMOUS amount of non European migration after brexit. Remember he promised  to "get a grip" on immigration.

If a politician promises one thing. Be sure they will deliver the exact opposite.

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[mackem 29,962]

10 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Same with Farage. He CREATED what Labour are now belatedly calling the 'Farage boats', 

How did he create them Juk?

I don't like all these career politicians playing musical chairs and jumping ship to stay in the game.

[WILF 51,020]

45 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

Genuine people won't get a look in?

Unfortunately it's not that simple. I'm a decent, moral, hard working man.....yet I won't stand as, like you, and most of us , I've lived a normal life and voiced normal opinions and humor over the years......hence if I had any success I'd be destroyed in the media. 

On ID cards, reform are absolutely against digital ID. I think farage suggested that if millions or billions were spent setting it up then a reform government wouldn't definitely abandon it but it could be used for migrants waiting for deportation etc.

Reform are the best positive chance at the minute, there isn't another option. Always support your best option at the time. The left are uniting gays and muslims.....yet you seem to want to destroy the most positive step at the minute. It's bonkers 

I don’t want to destroy anything mate, but at the same time we shouldn’t be going “all in” anymore with anyone….we have all been betrayed enough and should all be more than cynical about everyone…..especially when the signs are there.

And the signs are there, what clearer sign could there be than asking you to vote for the exact same people that got us in this mess ? 
 

Going “all in” using the excuse of it’s our last hope is giving these people a free ride…..no more free rides !

Its isn’t “our last hope” because there isn’t any hope and I don’t see how the same people who created it are going to want to fix it ?…..what those c**ts want is a job, they don’t care two fucks about “the nation” 

If you want better you have to hold them and ourselves to a higher standard….so far we have made a bollocks of it by looking for the next great hope all the time !