Epstein files.

[jukel123 9,603]

Some more of the Epstein files ( heavily redacted)  have been made public. Bill Gates, Musk, Steve Bannon and Prince Andrew appear.

The dates  on which Andrew  appear on these files coincide  with a tax payer funded trip to the states, where he was to speak at some event about cruelty to children. 

 He was booked in for 'massages' courtesy of Epstein whilst on the trip. Given that some girls  in Epstein's paedophile harem were  only 13 years old , how's that for hypocrisy?

On a more general note. What the point of releasing the files with names crossed out? 

I smell several famous, powerful rats.

Edited yesterday at 07:41 by jukel123

[WILF 50,861]

3 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Some more of the Epstein files ( heavily redacted)  have been made public. Bill Gates, Musk, Steve Bannon and Prince Andrew appear.

The dates  on which Andrew  appear on these files coincide  with a tax payer funded trip to the states, where he was to speak at some event about cruelty to children. 

 He was booked in for 'massages' courtesy of Epstein whilst on the trip. Given that some girls  in Epstein's paedophile harem were  only 13 years old , how's that for hypocrisy?

On a more general note. What the point of releasing the files with names crossed out? 

I smell several famous, powerful rats.

Shock horror, people who rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams getting upto stuff most people wouldn’t dream of because they are basically untouchable !…….when did that start happening ? 
 

I’ve read Epstein indictment sheet, he was basically getting nude massages while he had a wank and flew people around America to give him a massage while he had a wank ! 
 

He liked girls under 18 to do it and some were as young as 13, he paid them hundreds of dollars each time ! 
 

At no point does it mention rape or penetration.

That's it in black and white, it’s grotesque and patently wrong but imho no different to those creepy old westerners jetting off to Thailand every year.

The reason, again imho, we are all making such a big deal is because it’s a chance to kick massively wealthy and powerful people……nobody is standing at Heathrow airport every week watching 50 year old men board the plane to Bangkok !

I don’t think for one second the likes of Prince Andrew or Bill Gates were thinking “yeah, I’m gonna nonce a kid up”……they were just f***ing stupid and they should know better, but rich people keep company with other rich people and to them it’s all probably just another day. 
 

That’s not an attack or a defence of Epstein or anyone like him, it’s just how I see it in black and white leaving hysterics aside ! 

Edited yesterday at 10:24 by WILF

[jukel123 9,603]

I'm just surprised how tolerant people are of those Lolita express passengers.

Paedophiles are generally accepted as the lowest of the low, at least in the circles we mix in.

We are so accustomed to their predatory behaviour that when news breaks about yet another of the great and the good abusing minors , we should just shrug our shoulders. Meh , so what?

I think we've all been corrupted to the point that nothing shocks us.

But surely it matters that Trump is a self confessed serial fanny groper and has a conviction for sexual assault involving penetrative sex.

Surely the leader of the world should be a better person. I just can't accept these things don't matter.

The messages Trump gives to young men is poisonous. And I think it has consequences for us all. Especially women.

[WILF 50,861]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

I'm just surprised how tolerant people are of those Lolita express passengers.

Paedophiles are generally accepted as the lowest of the low, at least in the circles we mix in.

We are so accustomed to their predatory behaviour that when news breaks about yet another of the great and the good abusing minors , we should just shrug our shoulders. Meh , so what?

I think we've all been corrupted to the point that nothing shocks us.

But surely it matters that Trump is a self confessed serial fanny groper and has a conviction for sexual assault involving penetrative sex.

Surely the leader of the world should be a better person. I just can't accept these things don't matter.

The messages Trump gives to young men is poisonous. And I think it has consequences for us all. Especially women.

My point is mate, it should ALL matter but it don’t !…….the fact is, you can sensationalise a photo of Prince Andrew with his arm round a fully clothed 17 year old girl given the context we know and then let imagination (real or not) do the rest now……but nobody is taking a photo of single creepy Fred from Widnes, aged 56, as he checks his suitcase into air Thailand sweating like a racehorse ! 
 

And the reason we don’t take that photo is because it’s not good click bait, there’s no story, it won’t sell a single paper ! 
 

It’s just handy in this instance to attack people we don’t like or kick the rich…..it’s gutless, petty, childish nonsense because we wouldn’t say “oi you c**t” to Creepy Fred when he was telling the lads he had booked his holiday ! 
 

They have just kicked Andrew’s ex wife Fergie off of a load of things because she said Epstein was a friend in an email, of course he f***ing was, the king of Denmark and the Rothschild’s are probably friends too…..who the f**k do people think she hangs around with ? The local primary PTA ? 

Toxicity over logic mate, we are victims of enough of that ourselves, we have to be the logical grown ups in the room. 
If we are going to do something about these beasts then let’s do them all, not just pick ones that get our juices flowing. 

[jukel123 9,603]

Yes I get that, as you say " let's do them all".

They are no better than the Rochdale and Rotherham child rapists. But just as the communities ignored what was happening, along with the social workers and the police, then we are just shrugging our shoulders at the rich powerful both ignoring the law and the laws of decency and child protection.

[Wolfdog91 7,887]

Let's be honest...as long as it's about someone's favorite person they dont care and they will make excuses because " well hell that's my guy they would NEVER !" 

I legitimately feel a large amount of people could see video evidence of there favorite politician, celebrity, family member ect being a pedo or something and they will go all the way around the moon to justify it ...

It's like how you hear about families when that one grand dad or Uncle is basically a serial pedo to all the women in the family but they protect him because ....you know ..that's just Uncle Joey or something 

 

That's and it's one of those uncomfortable deals that most just don't wanna face unless it's about the enemy at the time.  Gay couple pimps out there adopted kid , the right looses it. Some right wing politician is found with a hard drive full of kiddy porn the left is full tilt....BUT RARELY do I see people going after "there own ".... It's sickening ..

Y'all have a lady over there who did alot with politicians being pedos and stuff.. had some documentary called pedos in parliament or something and she just point blanks said it's not that there not evidence of this stuff is just people DONT WANT TO SEE IT nor admit it 

Edited yesterday at 11:29 by Wolfdog91

[jukel123 9,603]

45 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Let's be honest...as long as it's about someone's favorite person they dont care and they will make excuses because " well hell that's my guy they would NEVER !" 

I legitimately feel a large amount of people could see video evidence of there favorite politician, celebrity, family member ect being a pedo or something and they will go all the way around the moon to justify it ...

It's like how you hear about families when that one grand dad or Uncle is basically a serial pedo to all the women in the family but they protect him because ....you know ..that's just Uncle Joey or something 

 

That's and it's one of those uncomfortable deals that most just don't wanna face unless it's about the enemy at the time.  Gay couple pimps out there adopted kid , the right looses it. Some right wing politician is found with a hard drive full of kiddy porn the left is full tilt....BUT RARELY do I see people going after "there own ".... It's sickening ..

Y'all have a lady over there who did alot with politicians being pedos and stuff.. had some documentary called pedos in parliament or something and she just point blanks said it's not that there not evidence of this stuff is just people DONT WANT TO SEE IT nor admit it 

That's absolutely right. Once people have decided who their man is or what their politics or belief system is ,it takes heaven and earth to shift that position.

I think it's called your anchor position.

To cut  yourself off from your  anchor is scary, so people stick with their original beliefs despite the evidence in front of them. 

Took me until my twenties to shake off the indoctrination that the Catholic church gave me. It's difficult to reinvent your beliefs.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,399]

20 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I'm just surprised how tolerant people are of those Lolita express passengers.

Paedophiles are generally accepted as the lowest of the low, at least in the circles we mix in.

We are so accustomed to their predatory behaviour that when news breaks about yet another of the great and the good abusing minors , we should just shrug our shoulders. Meh , so what?

I think we've all been corrupted to the point that nothing shocks us.

But surely it matters that Trump is a self confessed serial fanny groper and has a conviction for sexual assault involving penetrative sex.

Surely the leader of the world should be a better person. I just can't accept these things don't matter.

The messages Trump gives to young men is poisonous. And I think it has consequences for us all. Especially women.

Is there any sort of evidence that they’re people are paedophiles in any way shape or form basing that this is around their names being listed in flight nominal rolls in a private jet ? 

that is it , regardless of what people say or believe , that is the sole basis of this . 
 

[Bendigo 1,126]

27 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Is there any sort of evidence that they’re people are paedophiles in any way shape or form basing that this is around their names being listed in flight nominal rolls in a private jet ? 

that is it , regardless of what people say or believe , that is the sole basis of this . 
 

Exactly this. 

Personally I'd hang genuine nonces. But to have the highest order of punishment then you need high standards in definitions and proof. A member of the royal family or politician can't finger blast a local slag called Gemma down the ritzy night club like we all did. So getting a massage and wank on a private jet....are you really going to ask for ID from the stripper/Hooker/masseuse? Did any of you ask for ID in strip clubs, night clubs or knocking shops.....which a huge number on here will have visited. 

A nonce is attracted to kids. If that's the case then hang the dirty scum....but equally the word should never be used lightly nor just used against someone you don't like

[lurcherman 887 13,443]

IWW was on the jet too 

[waltjnr 8,170]

31 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said:

IWW was on the jet too 

He was just lost ,his community care worker left the door open ! 

[Bangersanmash 5,451]

23 minutes ago, waltjnr said:

He was just lost ,his community care worker left the door open ! 

Brilliant

[jukel123 9,603]

14 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Is there any sort of evidence that they’re people are paedophiles in any way shape or form basing that this is around their names being listed in flight nominal rolls in a private jet ? 

that is it , regardless of what people say or believe , that is the sole basis of this . 
 

Epstein abused minors. He served time  for it. It's a fair assumption some minors were travelling on the Lolita express. Why do you think it was nicknamed  the Lolita Express?

( The name Lolita refers to a 13 year old kid in a novel, who was abused by  a much older man .) Apologies if I'm oldgit splaining.

There's also the power imbalance. They were young poor kids, probably from troubled backgrounds, the same as the Rochdale and Rotherham rape victims. They were trafficked and  'trained' and expected to sleep with whoever they were told to. In fact  Epstein and his mates were worse than the Rochdale and Rotherham rapists,  because the latter were low IQ ,racist beasts from a culture where men control and own females.. The Lolita abusers were highly educated and rich from,a western background. They could have paid for any number of orgies with adult, career, sex workers. Instead they preferred younger, powerless victims. They got an extra thrill out of it because they could thumb their noses at the laws of human decency and the laws of America.

I take Wilf's point, that rich westerners travelling to  countries to f**k third world girls are equally repulsive. A nonce is a nonce whether he's travelling on the Lolita express or on an Easyjet to the Philippines. 

Allegedly, Trump referred in a birthday greeting to Epstein about the " secret" that he and Epstein shared. He drew breasts and a vagina on the greeting. You  don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to suspect that the 'secret' , was that illegal and disgusting sexual behaviour with vulnerable  children was taking place. Perhaps Epstein and his mates got a big bang out of contemptuously defying the law and felt protected  by their their influence and wealth. 

Against the odds, the law caught up with Epstein.

But Trump is heavily protected by corporate America and the American Secret Service , which is why the files are redacted and why he's moving heaven and earth to stop them being published.  They will never be published unredacted. Despite his Maga supporters demanding that he does.

A lot of people think none of this matters.

I disagree I think it  does. Trump is mates with The Tate brothers  one of whom is facing trafficking and pimping charges and UFC fighter Mcgregor who has a rape conviction. He's turned the Whitehouse into a place of sexual ill repute. This normalises such beastly  behaviour for impressionable  young men and is intimidating for women.

Edited 5 minutes ago by jukel123

[Halfhound 380]

I don’t think there’s any defending anyone who travelled to that island especially anyone who went there more than once. I’ve said it before you can murder somebody or rob from somebody and once you’ve done your time you can return to wherever your from and most people will bid you the time of day nobody really gives a shit as long as you haven’t stolen from them or killed one of their family.. but harming a child there is no way back there’s something deep in people’s brains and hearts that knows it’s just unacceptable under any circumstances I just hope anyone who was involved dies roaring 

[Francie, 2,868]

There's no defending anyone who went to the island,Eastern was convicted of sex crimes yet they still went an met with him afterwards,who the f**k in the right mind hangs around with a convicted man like that