The Lucy connelly interview....

[Borr 7,906]

1 hour ago, Seagull said:

Does it, it doesn't get as much as France, Germany, etc.

188.5 billion.....

[Seagull 751]

9 minutes ago, Borr said:

188.5 billion.....

For every £1 the UK spends on healthcare, France spends about £1.26 and Germany, £1.55 per person. Over the whole system that's tens of billions of pounds, let's not blame everything on the NHS when it isn't getting close to the funding of the other two major powers in the EU.

[Bobtheferret 1,276]

7 minutes ago, Seagull said:

For every £1 the UK spends on healthcare, France spends about £1.26 and Germany, £1.55 per person. Over the whole system that's tens of billions of pounds, let's not blame everything on the NHS when it isn't getting close to the funding of the other two major powers in the EU.

Yes and America spends the most but you wouldn’t want there health care system. The nhs is the biggest sole employer in Europe but only 53.2% of those are front line workers, the rest bureaucratic nonsense. They get enough but it’s wasted. 

[Seagull 751]

6 minutes ago, Bobtheferret said:

Yes and America spends the most but you wouldn’t want there health care system. The nhs is the biggest sole employer in Europe but only 53.2% of those are front line workers, the rest bureaucratic nonsense. They get enough but it’s wasted. 

There's no question that it could be run better but let's not pretend that the NHS is unique in how much is spent on it when it's not even receiving any more funding than the other top nations of the EU.

[Bendigo 841]

How much the nhs recieves doesn't even touch on where the issues come from. If you can't see that then you have zero understanding about what's going on in the nhs

[WILF 50,172]

Would anyone say that the dynamic of Reform has shifted massively in the last 12 months ?……it’s gone from what felt like a peoples movement to a movement devoted to providing a parachute to ex Tory’s ?

People wanted something that was unapologetically for them and by them…….what they are ending up with is “vetting” to make sure nobody once said some words or had an original but unpopular opinion, they are ending up with lots of the same people who actively worked to get the nation into this disaster.

They are ending up with yet another group who seem to worry more about media image than saying what needs to be said (albeit I understand it’s almost a necessary thing because most folks can’t think beyond a headline !) 

They are ruthlessly getting rid of anyone who says things lots of ordinary people are saying.

It’s a fundamentally Blairite way of orchestrating your way to power.

Lets face it, we are in a desperate situation (and I think that’s putting it mildly) and it’s natural people want to cling to straws of hope (I’m as guilty of it as the next man) but we need to pull ourself up short……we can never again go all in behind anyone showing even tiny signs of everything we have seen before.

We have to be cold about it, the more unwavering support Reform get from us ordinary blokes the more they are likely to just find the comfort zone of everything we have already had…..we have to be more cynical and make them more accountable and hold them to a higher standard then we have done previously.

I said it before, these people are not our friend, they are our employee……no backsliding should be tolerated and a healthy mistrust encouraged. 

 

[terryd 8,947]

Same old story the people making the decisions got so  much money in bank they don’t really give a shit 

[WILF 50,172]

On 23/08/2025 at 20:51, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

I always imagine things like that from the opposite side. Surely kier starmer isnt getting into bed at the end of a long day and thinking , yeah today was a good day , I did well today . 

these people aren’t like you and I , we will die and Be forgotten by nearly everyone who will live on our planet . We are by and large just a photo in a cupboard . These people , our so called betters and leaders , are public eye figures , they will be remembered as historical figures in generations to com. Do they not worry about their legacy , their reputation , the brand of their name . Kier starmer will be regarded as a laughing stock , the worst uk prime minister of all time , he’s stumbled from embarrassment to embarrassment and it’s utterly terrifying that he , nor any one who influences his judgements can see that . It’s utterly baffling to me 

No, because modern politicians don’t think like that anymore brother.

I’ll explain…..

One look at the great houses of England (or Scotland, wales, Ireland) will tell you everything about the mindset of the time…..everything about the mindset of the people who once led our nation.

It’s all about “legacy”………legacy was at the forefront of everything they did.

So when you drive down a mile long stretch of entrance drive planted either side with trees that looks amazing….the bloke who had it planted stood there and imagined what that would be, he knew he would never get to see it but he knew he would leave something wonderful in his wake.

Same for a house like Blenheim, nobody “needs” a Blenheim but it’s not about that, it’s a legacy, it’s building something wonderful that will be revered for generations to come…..something people will look at and say “Wow, that’s fantastic”

Doing something out of this world just because you can and it signals to everyone who gazed upon it for hundreds of years after that you could…..it says “This is who we are!”

Walled gardens, forests of rare trees gathered from round the world….all done by someone who knew they would never get the full benefit but who’s desire, ethic, morals (call it want you will) wanted to build something fantastic for the future.

And when it came to running the nation, they brought the same mindset with them….hence we ended up with the biggest empire the world has ever known.

Building something for a legacy of greatness !

Today's politicians are not those people, they ain’t the best in class at Oxford or Cambridge…..they ain’t even the 2nd or 3rd best.

They are pen pushers with second class honours from Loughborough who see running the nation as nothing more than a job…..they could be running the local bin collection or working in the citizens advice or behind the desk at the job centre….same people, same mindset.

They just want to make as much as possible and get the pensions…..they could not give two fucks about legacy…..they don’t think that way.

The nation to them is something just to be used, those people will never be the type who plant trees the shade of which they will never enjoy.

Edited 2 hours ago by WILF

[Bendigo 841]

I get what you are saying wilf but I also think you are failing to see the reality of being a party of opposition and becoming a party that could actually end up in a position with some power. 

There is a massive difference between ranting about mass deportations and posting Twitter posts about being British and actually being able to knock on the doors of the ordinary public and talk about real issues and real political positions.

I campaigned actually on the door steps at the council elections..... I simply couldn't goose step up people's garden paths talking about race and deportations in the way you and gnasher want reform to.....it wouldn't get anywhere. It failed when you lot did it with the NF and BNP and it would fail even more now. 

I get where you are coming from but you have to move into the real world. 

As ive said loads of times with battles for both fieldsports and nationalism.....STOP slagging others on a similar side and start telling us what YOU are doin! That's all you need to talk about 

[WILF 50,172]

40 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

I get what you are saying wilf but I also think you are failing to see the reality of being a party of opposition and becoming a party that could actually end up in a position with some power. 

There is a massive difference between ranting about mass deportations and posting Twitter posts about being British and actually being able to knock on the doors of the ordinary public and talk about real issues and real political positions.

I campaigned actually on the door steps at the council elections..... I simply couldn't goose step up people's garden paths talking about race and deportations in the way you and gnasher want reform to.....it wouldn't get anywhere. It failed when you lot did it with the NF and BNP and it would fail even more now. 

I get where you are coming from but you have to move into the real world. 

As ive said loads of times with battles for both fieldsports and nationalism.....STOP slagging others on a similar side and start telling us what YOU are doin! That's all you need to talk about 

Fair mate.

Look, I’d like to think it’s the same move as the national socialists…..playing the game, saying the right things, pressing the palms until you actually gain a majority big enough to do what you really intend.

But honestly, do you think that’s what it is ?……I mean we all HOPE it is…..but is it ?

You and me and everyone else knows, deep down, just what a bad situation the nation is in…..honestly, we are all clever enough to know mood lighting won’t fix it.

I think we have to be realistic, the best thing a win for Reform can achieve is opening the door for people and party’s who really do understand the drastic measures needed to even have a hope of mending things……we have to make sure we keep Reform in that space, not allow them to drift back on the same course as everyone else.

Not until the nations mind has adjusted to being in that political  space can people like Rupert Lowe or people like him,  who seem to actually grasp some of what needs doing, be in with a chance of forming groups big enough to govern and do things.

There is a national sickness 70 years in the making, just look at how many people think all this madness is perfectly fine….to be encouraged even.

Once elected any group who want to cure things have to make a wholesale assault on that learned behaviour….thats going to take decades ! 
I don’t see that party in Reform…..but I do see an opportunity to shift the terrain.  

[gnasher16 31,493]

1 hour ago, Bendigo said:

I get what you are saying wilf but I also think you are failing to see the reality of being a party of opposition and becoming a party that could actually end up in a position with some power. 

There is a massive difference between ranting about mass deportations and posting Twitter posts about being British and actually being able to knock on the doors of the ordinary public and talk about real issues and real political positions.

I campaigned actually on the door steps at the council elections..... I simply couldn't goose step up people's garden paths talking about race and deportations in the way you and gnasher want reform to.....it wouldn't get anywhere. It failed when you lot did it with the NF and BNP and it would fail even more now. 

I get where you are coming from but you have to move into the real world. 

As ive said loads of times with battles for both fieldsports and nationalism.....STOP slagging others on a similar side and start telling us what YOU are doin! That's all you need to talk about 

In other words....." act " like we want change but then vote for the same old shit !

Id still love to know how this theory that England could once again be England without re migration how does that work mate ?.....numbers and demographics being what we know they are ?