Reform U.K…….

[WILF 50,462]

2 hours ago, Greyman said:

If reform win they need experienced mps to fill seats in big numbers so I don’t think they have a choice about taking the jumpers, any of the other right wing parties would find themselves in the same position if they got anywhere near an election win 

Same as I said to Kanny mate, Experinced at what ? 
 

Not being a sarky f****r with that comment, it’s what I genuinely think. 

[WILF 50,462]

3 hours ago, chartpolski said:

Wilf, in Farages conference speech he said we will leave the ECHR on day one.

Cheers.

IF…..they have a big enough majority….and only then after 3 years of f***ing about.

Come on mate, we all know how it works 

[chartpolski 28,090]

7 minutes ago, WILF said:

IF…..they have a big enough majority….and only then after 3 years of f***ing about.

Come on mate, we all know how it works 

Of course Reform need an overall majority to do anything, but the fact is Farage has said he WILL leave the ECHR and will make it a manifesto commitment.

Labour have refused point blank to leave and the Tories have only said they will look to “reform” certain sections of the ECHR treaty…..well, we saw how that worked trying to reform the E U !

What do we do ? Carry on with the legacy parties who are destroying the country , or give Reform a chance ? 
I know what my choice will be .

If it works, great !

If it doesn’t, well at least we tried.

Cheers.

[Borr 7,987]

27 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Of course Reform need an overall majority to do anything, but the fact is Farage has said he WILL leave the ECHR and will make it a manifesto commitment.

Labour have refused point blank to leave and the Tories have only said they will look to “reform” certain sections of the ECHR treaty…..well, we saw how that worked trying to reform the E U !

What do we do ? Carry on with the legacy parties who are destroying the country , or give Reform a chance ? 
I know what my choice will be .

If it works, great !

If it doesn’t, well at least we tried.

Cheers.

The other parties are dead in the water , all being well reform will landslide it and do as they please...

[Moocher71 4,189]

47 minutes ago, Borr said:

The other parties are dead in the water , all being well reform will landslide it and do as they please...

do as we ask 

[Borr 7,987]

14 minutes ago, Moocher71 said:

do as we ask 

That might be a push lol

[WILF 50,462]

1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

 

What do we do ? Carry on with the legacy parties who are destroying the country , or give Reform a chance ? 
I know what my choice will be .

If it works, great !

If it doesn’t, well at least we tried.

Cheers.

Look, I absolutely understand that logic mate, I’m not telling anyone to do otherwise.

Im just writing what I’m starting to think, it’s not the “right” opinion, it’s just my opinion. 
I hope I’m proved completely wrong, but if I’m not, I hope it all burns !

 

[kanny 21,721]

 

[ditchman 3,490]

7 hours ago, kanny said:

 

i watched about a 1/3rd of this video and i think he is spot on...........i to will vote for Reform.....but that Reform conference was like watching "The sound of mucus"..........

i want a party that grabs Britain by the balls....not a bunch of hasbeens pussyfooting around the edges.......Reform are slowly winding back on the the promise of leaving the ECHR...............no doubt they will try ...but it will be alot my difficult to withdraw that they thought.......

the conference was disapointing and schmaltzy........

[WILF 50,462]

9 hours ago, kanny said:

 

He makes a great point at the end there about just the quality of the people we are electing and maybe will elect.

Now, this may come over a bit snobbish and it’s not meant to but mostly people are just thick as shit !

Now, whether that’s wilfully ?, accidentally ?, because they don’t have time to listen to a range of opinions or history or whatever ?…..I don’t know but it’s a fact we are getting behind extremely shit people decade after decade……I’ve been guilty of it and I can say with almost certainty that everyone here has been guilty of it too. 
 

But the first step imho is admitting where I went boss eyed, so I’m happy to say “I got taken to the cleaners and it’s my fault for not paying attention and looking hard enough” 

I think everyone needs to do that and plenty of it.

The great thing about the internet is, there is a massive amount of information from all sides of every imaginable spectrum…..as in, a lowly nothing oik like me can sit and listen to an Oxford professor explain any number of subjects, the history behind them, cause and effect etc etc etc 

I can listen to phycologists and intellectuals and ordinary blokes off the street, authors and poets and artists and former generals.

I sat yesterday and watched interviews with Albert Speer and Admiral Karl Donietz (spel ?) …….all in their own words and given in a time before political correctness……there was never a time on earth when a lad from South London with no formal education could have done that but I can do it now.

And that means I can form prospectives and opinions and have access to first hand information to do that with.

I can listen to Douglas Murray or Novara Media, I can listen to Steven Fry or Liver King ! lol ….but the point is, it’s all there and enables us to make better judgements and have a better understanding than we ever have in our history. 
 

Now we get to Reform…..

I understand that in times of crisis and panic (which we are !) people grab for the first bit of driftwood to keep them afloat…..but human beings are also inclined to make poor decisions when their hand is forced too…..Reform are driftwood imho, are they a poor decision ?……well I think most would agree they are the only decision we have ?

Or are they ?…….because I’d say, let’s not get caught again going from frying pan to fire.

I was up for them at the start, I was positive, not one of these crystal ball naysayers who seem to know a lot of stuff (sometimes rightly because they are just better informed or brighter about certain hazards) before the event…….so along with everyone else I was like “great, this is what we could do with….breath of fresh air” 

Then I was a bit like “Well, ok, they could be a tool just to destroy the Tory and Labour Party” 

Now they are so full of the same dull, meaningless traitors that it isn’t destroying the Tory party at all, it’s just electing them again except they are pretending to be something else….and that then leads on to destroying Labour, well you’re not are you ?…….not if you elect a load of Blairite clones which is basically what every major party is. 
 

Then you listen to the words, and any person with half a brain will see it’s becoming a load of non committal claptrap !…….is saying you can use a balloon to smash a battle ship…..absolute f***ing nonsense ! 
 

Does anyone doubt the seriousness of where we are as a country ?…..as in, have they fully grasped the scale ?……now, just on immigration we are in the middle of a full blown genocide ! 
 

That’s not just some hysterical over statement, look up the definition of genocide…..it’s an absolute truth !

Because you are sitting in front of your telly while it happens rather than getting marched off to camps don’t make it any less so…..

Then take finance, we are f****d !….as in f****d !…….we can never ever, ever pay down the debt…..like, ever !

It would take over 8000 years at a million quid a day if you stopped the debt clock right now !……let’s be real, that’s never getting paid back…..so that makes everyone a slave to that debt and whoever owns it, forever ! 
 

Does reform sound like they are saying anything that impacts that fact in any meaningful way ?…….in my lifetime there have been two African debt write offs, like the whole of Africas debt gone at the press of a button…..is anyone suggesting that so that ordinary Britains can get the country back on its feet and if not, why not ? 
 

So my point is, being absolutely truthful is Reform saying anything that will fix anything ?……like really ?

And if they ain’t, why the f**k is anyone investing time into them…..what’s the point ? Take desperation out of it, what’s the point ?

They are polling 35%, shouldn’t we be making them poll at 10% and forcing better out of them ? Or are we all just so desperate that any shit will do if it makes us feel better for 5 minutes ?

The same isn’t change, it’s just the same and there’s enough education freely available that we really should be making a better job of who we get behind and why nowadays. 

[tatsblisters 10,974]

32 minutes ago, WILF said:

He makes a great point at the end there about just the quality of the people we are electing and maybe will elect.

Now, this may come over a bit snobbish and it’s not meant to but mostly people are just thick as shit !

Now, whether that’s wilfully ?, accidentally ?, because they don’t have time to listen to a range of opinions or history or whatever ?…..I don’t know but it’s a fact we are getting behind extremely shit people decade after decade……I’ve been guilty of it and I can say with almost certainty that everyone here has been guilty of it too. 
 

But the first step imho is admitting where I went boss eyed, so I’m happy to say “I got taken to the cleaners and it’s my fault for not paying attention and looking hard enough” 

I think everyone needs to do that and plenty of it.

The great thing about the internet is, there is a massive amount of information from all sides of every imaginable spectrum…..as in, a lowly nothing oik like me can sit and listen to an Oxford professor explain any number of subjects, the history behind them, cause and effect etc etc etc 

I can listen to phycologists and intellectuals and ordinary blokes off the street, authors and poets and artists and former generals.

I sat yesterday and watched interviews with Albert Speer and Admiral Karl Donietz (spel ?) …….all in their own words and given in a time before political correctness……there was never a time on earth when a lad from South London with no formal education could have done that but I can do it now.

And that means I can form prospectives and opinions and have access to first hand information to do that with.

I can listen to Douglas Murray or Novara Media, I can listen to Steven Fry or Liver King ! lol ….but the point is, it’s all there and enables us to make better judgements and have a better understanding than we ever have in our history. 
 

Now we get to Reform…..

I understand that in times of crisis and panic (which we are !) people grab for the first bit of driftwood to keep them afloat…..but human beings are also inclined to make poor decisions when their hand is forced too…..Reform are driftwood imho, are they a poor decision ?……well I think most would agree they are the only decision we have ?

Or are they ?…….because I’d say, let’s not get caught again going from frying pan to fire.

I was up for them at the start, I was positive, not one of these crystal ball naysayers who seem to know a lot of stuff (sometimes rightly because they are just better informed or brighter about certain hazards) before the event…….so along with everyone else I was like “great, this is what we could do with….breath of fresh air” 

Then I was a bit like “Well, ok, they could be a tool just to destroy the Tory and Labour Party” 

Now they are so full of the same dull, meaningless traitors that it isn’t destroying the Tory party at all, it’s just electing them again except they are pretending to be something else….and that then leads on to destroying Labour, well you’re not are you ?…….not if you elect a load of Blairite clones which is basically what every major party is. 
 

Then you listen to the words, and any person with half a brain will see it’s becoming a load of non committal claptrap !…….is saying you can use a balloon to smash a battle ship…..absolute f***ing nonsense ! 
 

Does anyone doubt the seriousness of where we are as a country ?…..as in, have they fully grasped the scale ?……now, just on immigration we are in the middle of a full blown genocide ! 
 

That’s not just some hysterical over statement, look up the definition of genocide…..it’s an absolute truth !

Because you are sitting in front of your telly while it happens rather than getting marched off to camps don’t make it any less so…..

Then take finance, we are f****d !….as in f****d !…….we can never ever, ever pay down the debt…..like, ever !

It would take over 8000 years at a million quid a day if you stopped the debt clock right now !……let’s be real, that’s never getting paid back…..so that makes everyone a slave to that debt and whoever owns it, forever ! 
 

Does reform sound like they are saying anything that impacts that fact in any meaningful way ?…….in my lifetime there have been two African debt write offs, like the whole of Africas debt gone at the press of a button…..is anyone suggesting that so that ordinary Britains can get the country back on its feet and if not, why not ? 
 

So my point is, being absolutely truthful is Reform saying anything that will fix anything ?……like really ?

And if they ain’t, why the f**k is anyone investing time into them…..what’s the point ? Take desperation out of it, what’s the point ?

They are polling 35%, shouldn’t we be making them poll at 10% and forcing better out of them ? Or are we all just so desperate that any shit will do if it makes us feel better for 5 minutes ?

The same isn’t change, it’s just the same and there’s enough education freely available that we really should be making a better job of who we get behind and why nowadays. 

Great post mate. I think with uneducated working class folk like me you start to see the bigger picture the older you get. I recently voted for a local councillor and my vote went to the reform councillor even though he lived at the other side of Rotherham and no one had ever heard of him i voted for him reasons being what you have said in your post . Since he got voted in no one in the area has heard hide no hair from him though the independent who came second continues to go out with an army of litter pickers and cleaning graffiti. 

 

[WILF 50,462]

3 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

Great post mate. I think with uneducated working class folk like me you start to see the bigger picture the older you get. I recently voted for a local councillor and my vote went to the reform councillor even though he lived at the other side of Rotherham and no one had ever heard of him i voted for him reasons being what you have said in your post . Since he got voted in no one in the area has heard hide no hair from him though the independent who came second continues to go out with an army of litter pickers and cleaning graffiti. 

 

Something similar in my old town mate, a lad I know is an independent councillor…..now hand on heart he is one annoying c**t, the type that used to take pictures of bad parking and makes terrible decisions all the time on borough issues BUT……it’s not from a point of ideological malice, it’s genuinely because he don’t think things through ! 
 

However, all that said, for HIS ward he is brilliant….he really means it, he donates his allowance from the committed he is on to community things and is relentless in doing things for his ward and his town. 

You can tell the lad really does it for the sake of doing it, he isn’t the best but he is honest in his intentions. 
 

Give me a lad like that all day long, a lad that will actually have a conversation with you even if you fundamentally disagree with him and he won’t spew some party line bollocks, he just talks like an ordinary lad and if he hadn’t thought of something he will say “Fair enough, didn’t think of that” 

 

[kanny 21,721]

59 minutes ago, WILF said:

He makes a great point at the end there about just the quality of the people we are electing and maybe will elect.

Now, this may come over a bit snobbish and it’s not meant to but mostly people are just thick as shit !

Now, whether that’s wilfully ?, accidentally ?, because they don’t have time to listen to a range of opinions or history or whatever ?…..I don’t know but it’s a fact we are getting behind extremely shit people decade after decade……I’ve been guilty of it and I can say with almost certainty that everyone here has been guilty of it too. 
 

But the first step imho is admitting where I went boss eyed, so I’m happy to say “I got taken to the cleaners and it’s my fault for not paying attention and looking hard enough” 

I think everyone needs to do that and plenty of it.

The great thing about the internet is, there is a massive amount of information from all sides of every imaginable spectrum…..as in, a lowly nothing oik like me can sit and listen to an Oxford professor explain any number of subjects, the history behind them, cause and effect etc etc etc 

I can listen to phycologists and intellectuals and ordinary blokes off the street, authors and poets and artists and former generals.

I sat yesterday and watched interviews with Albert Speer and Admiral Karl Donietz (spel ?) …….all in their own words and given in a time before political correctness……there was never a time on earth when a lad from South London with no formal education could have done that but I can do it now.

And that means I can form prospectives and opinions and have access to first hand information to do that with.

I can listen to Douglas Murray or Novara Media, I can listen to Steven Fry or Liver King ! lol ….but the point is, it’s all there and enables us to make better judgements and have a better understanding than we ever have in our history. 
 

Now we get to Reform…..

I understand that in times of crisis and panic (which we are !) people grab for the first bit of driftwood to keep them afloat…..but human beings are also inclined to make poor decisions when their hand is forced too…..Reform are driftwood imho, are they a poor decision ?……well I think most would agree they are the only decision we have ?

Or are they ?…….because I’d say, let’s not get caught again going from frying pan to fire.

I was up for them at the start, I was positive, not one of these crystal ball naysayers who seem to know a lot of stuff (sometimes rightly because they are just better informed or brighter about certain hazards) before the event…….so along with everyone else I was like “great, this is what we could do with….breath of fresh air” 

Then I was a bit like “Well, ok, they could be a tool just to destroy the Tory and Labour Party” 

Now they are so full of the same dull, meaningless traitors that it isn’t destroying the Tory party at all, it’s just electing them again except they are pretending to be something else….and that then leads on to destroying Labour, well you’re not are you ?…….not if you elect a load of Blairite clones which is basically what every major party is. 
 

Then you listen to the words, and any person with half a brain will see it’s becoming a load of non committal claptrap !…….is saying you can use a balloon to smash a battle ship…..absolute f***ing nonsense ! 
 

Does anyone doubt the seriousness of where we are as a country ?…..as in, have they fully grasped the scale ?……now, just on immigration we are in the middle of a full blown genocide ! 
 

That’s not just some hysterical over statement, look up the definition of genocide…..it’s an absolute truth !

Because you are sitting in front of your telly while it happens rather than getting marched off to camps don’t make it any less so…..

Then take finance, we are f****d !….as in f****d !…….we can never ever, ever pay down the debt…..like, ever !

It would take over 8000 years at a million quid a day if you stopped the debt clock right now !……let’s be real, that’s never getting paid back…..so that makes everyone a slave to that debt and whoever owns it, forever ! 
 

Does reform sound like they are saying anything that impacts that fact in any meaningful way ?…….in my lifetime there have been two African debt write offs, like the whole of Africas debt gone at the press of a button…..is anyone suggesting that so that ordinary Britains can get the country back on its feet and if not, why not ? 
 

So my point is, being absolutely truthful is Reform saying anything that will fix anything ?……like really ?

And if they ain’t, why the f**k is anyone investing time into them…..what’s the point ? Take desperation out of it, what’s the point ?

They are polling 35%, shouldn’t we be making them poll at 10% and forcing better out of them ? Or are we all just so desperate that any shit will do if it makes us feel better for 5 minutes ?

The same isn’t change, it’s just the same and there’s enough education freely available that we really should be making a better job of who we get behind and why nowadays. 

Can't argue with any of that,  Reform reeks of old establishment, and like you say they are having it all a bit too easy at the moment, I'm considering joining Advance UK for this reason,  Reform need a candle holding to their feet and a reminder to not take us for granted in the same way Labour and the Tories always have, maybe we need for this next election cycle of Reform in power to fail, maybe this is what it will take for people to finally see behind the establishment curtain once and for all .

[WILF 50,462]

Just now, kanny said:

Can't argue with any of that,  Reform reeks of old establishment, and like you say they are having it all a bit too easy at the moment, I'm considering joining Advance UK for this reason,  Reform need a candle holding to their feet and a reminder to not take us for granted in the same way Labour and the Tories always have, maybe we need for this next election cycle of Reform in power to fail, maybe this is what it will take for people to finally see behind the establishment curtain once and for all .

There you have it, in simplistic terms you have to ask questions about a group that’s getting rid of a Rupert Lowe to make room for a Nadine Dorries ! 

[kanny 21,721]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

There you have it, in simplistic terms you have to ask questions about a group that’s getting rid of a Rupert Lowe to make room for a Nadine Dorries ! 

There's a pattern of Farage getting rid of those in front of the curve  only to adopt their policies further down the line,  Rupert was told to shut up about mass deportations,  now Farage thinks it's a great idea of his own , trouble is i believe Rupert and i can't take Farage seriously,how can you ?