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To be fair when I first had a led the wet grass and due used to shine and the dog would pull on the slip like it had seen eye shine , I just couldn't gwt on with them so only use them for finding birds in trees at night 

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The whatsitcalled thing shown at the start of the thread imo is an abomination, you have 2 twist the end 2 make it shine further and that pulls the beam in so to get ant sort of distance u end up wi a lazer pen 


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