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[SheepChaser 8,091]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

I watched a thing once and in it was a Sheriff from Texas and they were talking about the death penalty in this instance, he said one of the most Texas but logical things I have heard.

He said, as humans we live within a code of morals and values….they are our ticket into the club of society and it keeps that society a nice place to be.

If however you forfeit your ticket by stepping outside the rules and boundaries of what we regard as normal human society then they reserve the right to do away with you…….you literally have no place in that club, why should they put up with you ?

I think that’s as complicated as it needs to be, we are very cerebral about everything us Europeans….it’s why we are probably the most humane race of people on earth but we do like to complicate things.

That “we shoot you” mentality is the very best and very worst of America imho 

I do honestly pretty much agree.

However there are two issues -
 

1 - It assumes the legal system gets it right every time.

2 - You’d better hope that your particular niche of illegality ever makes it on the kill list.

The second is relevant in that once you have the death penalty it’s there forever and over a long time people’s ideas of wrong and right change.

I’m just talking academically obviously. 

[WILF 49,636]

1 minute ago, SheepChaser said:

I do honestly pretty much agree.

However there are two issues -
 

1 - It assumes the legal system gets it right every time.

2 - You’d better hope that your particular niche of illegality ever makes it on the kill list.

The second is relevant in that once you have the death penalty it’s there forever and over a long time people’s ideas of wrong and right change.

I’m just talking academically obviously. 

Absolutely spot on mate.

[SheepChaser 8,091]

Just now, WILF said:

Absolutely spot on mate.

Essentially I don’t overly trust governments and so allowing them to kill citizens always seems questionable. Look at lots of the foreign places with the death penalty ...... it’s a great way to shut folk up that speak out against you. 

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21 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Essentially I don’t overly trust governments and so allowing them to kill citizens always seems questionable. Look at lots of the foreign places with the death penalty ...... it’s a great way to shut folk up that speak out against you. 

True in some countries. However when used against dregs who do dark shit, it has to be some form of deterrent to others who may be thinking of doing the same

[WILF 49,636]

34 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Essentially I don’t overly trust governments and so allowing them to kill citizens always seems questionable. Look at lots of the foreign places with the death penalty ...... it’s a great way to shut folk up that speak out against you. 

Again totally agree, it was more the acceptance of lethal force and how that is justified in the US.

 

[Welsh_red 4,986]

1 hour ago, baker boy said:

The sickness of the left

[green lurchers 17,053]

4 hours ago, Welsh_red said:

Poor rosybum  time for some active self protection , from the good guys with guns with bad intentions  get the room temperature challenge 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by green lurchers

[Welsh_red 4,986]

1 hour ago, green lurchers said:

Poor rosybum  time for some active self protection , from the good guys with guns with bad intentions  get the room temperature challenge 

 

Anything with Bas Rutten explaining how to demolish someone is always great

 

[SheepChaser 8,091]

I was sat having an interesting discussion about guns, armed Police and civilian carry last night. What is always interesting is how many non gun carrying folk who have never shot anyone ..... are always massive advocates of ‘popping a cap in someone’s ass’. Course they’d whack someone, feel nothing..... born killa! In reality most decent folk, even those with training for it ..... are massively effected by killing another person. 
 

Most police officers in the UK DONT want to be armed.

If I see a couple lads snooping about my kennels at night I want to come out swinging a bat like babe Ruth, not run down the stairs with my semi auto and get involved in the gun fight at the ok coral in my garden. 
 

Folk keep celebrating americas gun culture ...... they all have the right to bear arms yay...... they hve a ridiculous level of shooting, both criminals on criminals, criminals on civilians, criminals on police, kids shootings themselves, kids shooting each other, accidental discharge, mass shootings.

It doesn’t really appear that all of those guns being carried and the attitude the yanks have to guns is making anyone safer. 
 

 

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[WILF 49,636]

47 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I was sat having an interesting discussion about guns, armed Police and civilian carry last night. What is always interesting is how many non gun carrying folk who have never shot anyone ..... are always massive advocates of ‘popping a cap in someone’s ass’. Course they’d whack someone, feel nothing..... born killa! In reality most decent folk, even those with training for it ..... are massively effected by killing another person. 
 

Most police officers in the UK DONT want to be armed.

If I see a couple lads snooping about my kennels at night I want to come out swinging a bat like babe Ruth, not run down the stairs with my semi auto and get involved in the gun fight at the ok coral in my garden. 
 

Folk keep celebrating americas gun culture ...... they all have the right to bear arms yay...... they hve a ridiculous level of shooting, both criminals on criminals, criminals on civilians, criminals on police, kids shootings themselves, kids shooting each other, accidental discharge, mass shootings.

It doesn’t really appear that all of those guns being carried and the attitude the yanks have to guns is making anyone safer. 
 

 

I think we have to understand that we are completely different people.

We have no history or culture with fire arms in Britain.

Most of todays coppers can’t be trusted with a pen never mind a Glock ! 
Same gos for the man on the street.

I think we get our gun laws about right for us, other than the right to own certain fire arms…..only criminals can own them.

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17 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think we have to understand that we are completely different people.

We have no history or culture with fire arms in Britain.

Most of todays coppers can’t be trusted with a pen never mind a Glock ! 
Same gos for the man on the street.

I think we get our gun laws about right for us, other than the right to own certain fire arms…..only criminals can own them.

So do you genuinely think that the American system is a positive one that helps protect its citizens from harm?

I mean when us brits come to take back their land they can quickly raise a citizen militia to defeat us .......

But in the mean time they are killing each other and themselves at a rate of knots. 
 

To be fair the level of training American police have with fire arms is scarily little and there are a lot of mistakes made.

Remember whilst we may not have every day beat officers armed we do have ARV who are very good. The issue we have is three fold.

1 - you’re right a different culture and being policed by consent means it’s an alien idea to arm every day police and they don’t want to be armed... if it was made compulsory we would lose officers.

2 - our current system means if you discharge your weapon as an arv officer you are on desk duty until the trial is done. So we lose good officers off duty.

3 - arv officers are really well trained and do regular refresher stuff which means they are off duty for training. If we armed all of the police we wouldn’t be able to keep as many on shift and also train them. 

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10 minutes ago, baker boy said:

How one sided might it become if only the criminals  had them

Is that in reference to the USA or here ? 

[green lurchers 17,053]

2 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

I was sat having an interesting discussion about guns, armed Police and civilian carry last night. What is always interesting is how many non gun carrying folk who have never shot anyone ..... are always massive advocates of ‘popping a cap in someone’s ass’. Course they’d whack someone, feel nothing..... born killa! In reality most decent folk, even those with training for it ..... are massively effected by killing another person. 
 

Most police officers in the UK DONT want to be armed.

If I see a couple lads snooping about my kennels at night I want to come out swinging a bat like babe Ruth, not run down the stairs with my semi auto and get involved in the gun fight at the ok coral in my garden. 
 

Folk keep celebrating americas gun culture ...... they all have the right to bear arms yay...... they hve a ridiculous level of shooting, both criminals on criminals, criminals on civilians, criminals on police, kids shootings themselves, kids shooting each other, accidental discharge, mass shootings.

It doesn’t really appear that all of those guns being carried and the attitude the yanks have to guns is making anyone safer. 
 

 

I tell ya now most folk not gonna stress over someone emptying the shed or motor dispite  the loss ,,, taking dogs brings out the very badness of a man it’s well  infront of stealing kids or wife

Edited November 24, 2021 by green lurchers

[SheepChaser 8,091]

1 minute ago, green lurchers said:

I tell ya now most folk not gonna stress over someone emptying the shed or motor dispute the loss taking dogs brings out the very badness of a man 

Oh I agree I’d probably shoot them. 
 

But it’s not a world I want to live in where I have to go out armed and ready to kill because they probably will be !