Saluki's and their crosses.

[mC HULL 15,840]

3 minutes ago, OldPhil said:

I dislike the slop,...but ,..I hates that old clag  far  worse

peel it off in one phil 

[chartpolski 27,893]

25 minutes ago, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

What’s the longest race them non peds do, arnt most of the races something like 8 seconds long ?

Straight racing is 150/200 yards, bend racing is 270/300 yards

8 seconds for 150 yards is very fast, but a handful of dogs are breaking eight seconds

Cheers.

[thefensarefarbutistillgo 2,639]

5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Straight racing is 150/200 yards, bend racing is 270/300 yards

8 seconds for 150 yards is very fast, but a handful of dogs are breaking eight seconds

Cheers.

Very fast, could they not race over longer distances because I thought as a rule whippet x greyhounds have more stamina than pure greys, would a non ped even get to a hare that is already moving with a 200 yard slip or would it be burnt out by the time it got there ? Not slagging the dogs just genuinely interested 

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5 minutes ago, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

Very fast, could they not race over longer distances because I thought as a rule whippet x greyhounds have more stamina than pure greys, would a non ped even get to a hare that is already moving with a 200 yard slip or would it be burnt out by the time it got there ? Not slagging the dogs just genuinely interested 

you cant slip at 200yds mate just a straight line 

kicking one up on your toe end youd get maybe 2 bends this time a year 

[green lurchers 17,062]

11 minutes ago, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

Very fast, could they not race over longer distances because I thought as a rule whippet x greyhounds have more stamina than pure greys, would a non ped even get to a hare that is already moving with a 200 yard slip or would it be burnt out by the time it got there ? Not slagging the dogs just genuinely interested 

They get ther ones I seen 

[chartpolski 27,893]

5 minutes ago, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

Very fast, could they not race over longer distances because I thought as a rule whippet x greyhounds have more stamina than pure greys, would a non ped even get to a hare that is already moving with a 200 yard slip or would it be burnt out by the time it got there ? Not slagging the dogs just genuinely interested 

The distance is governed by the land the have, most tracks are,or were, on miners welfares.

lets get this right, I'm not classing non-ped with coursing bred, hounds for grounds, as they say.

Non-peds have been bred for generations, best to best, to get the fastest dog over the chosen distance, they want the speed of the greyhound and the size of the Whippet, and have near as damn achieved it.

Coursing dogs, the same, best to best for generations for coursing hares.

The difference is, a coursing bred will never win a race against a non-ped, and a non-ped will just about allways be outclassed on a hare, given fair law, by a coursing bred.

But believe me, on a fair slip , even a 200 yarder, there's not a Saluki hybrid coursing dog that will beat a top non-ped in the run up. 

If the non-ped didn't pick-up on the run up, it WILL be beaten by the coursing dog.

But make no mistake, I've taken any amount of hares with non-peds, but if daytime coursing was my only field sport, there'd be no comparison, I'd have coursing bred.

Cheers.

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1 hour ago, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

Very fast, could they not race over longer distances because I thought as a rule whippet x greyhounds have more stamina than pure greys, would a non ped even get to a hare that is already moving with a 200 yard slip or would it be burnt out by the time it got there ? Not slagging the dogs just genuinely interested 

A wouldn’t say non ped s have as much stamina as greyhound but a would say better recovery rate.

[The drover 1,139]

1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

The distance is governed by the land the have, most tracks are,or were, on miners welfares.

lets get this right, I'm not classing non-ped with coursing bred, hounds for grounds, as they say.

Non-peds have been bred for generations, best to best, to get the fastest dog over the chosen distance, they want the speed of the greyhound and the size of the Whippet, and have near as damn achieved it.

Coursing dogs, the same, best to best for generations for coursing hares.

The difference is, a coursing bred will never win a race against a non-ped, and a non-ped will just about allways be outclassed on a hare, given fair law, by a coursing bred.

But believe me, on a fair slip , even a 200 yarder, there's not a Saluki hybrid coursing dog that will beat a top non-ped in the run up. 

If the non-ped didn't pick-up on the run up, it WILL be beaten by the coursing dog.

But make no mistake, I've taken any amount of hares with non-peds, but if daytime coursing was my only field sport, there'd be no comparison, I'd have coursing bred.

Cheers.

What about a coursing bitch x non ped ? . I owned 2 . And I'd have bet them to beat an out and out courser or a hard blood on a 200 yard slip on heavy . Best of both worlds at times 

[Greb147 6,810]

Just an idea, maybe the whippet just like the greyhound has more fast twitch muscle fibres than say a saluki and thus will bring that explosivness when added to the mix?

The old theory is that folk added different breeds to the saluki that first came over here but I've always said, you wouldn't add pit pony to a thoroughbred would you. 

They had to have a bit of method to their madness, if the saluki couldn't be bettered or improved why did they ever bother adding anything else instead of just sticking to the pures? 

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3 hours ago, Bosun11 said:

I'd always have to duck out of a wager...

I just couldn't 'speako de coursing lingo'

Chancy dog here, boys...

4 up 5 down, boys...

Loves the slop , boys...

Won't be begged, boys...

Real game pup here, boys...

Lookin for a new postcode, boys...

Boys, boys boys boys boys....

 

 

[chartpolski 27,893]

5 minutes ago, The drover said:

What about a coursing bitch x non ped ? . I owned 2 . And I'd have bet them to beat an out and out courser or a hard blood on a 200 yard slip on heavy . Best of both worlds at times 

Of course there are exceptions, but I'm generalising, not taking going or ground into particular consideration.

A non- ped is bred to sprint , a courser is, generally , bred to stay, get the best of both in one dog, and you've cracked it ! !

Cheers.

[Greb147 6,810]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Of course there are exceptions, but I'm generalising, not taking going or ground into particular consideration.

A non- ped is bred to sprint , a courser is, generally , bred to stay, get the best of both in one dog, and you've cracked it ! !

Cheers.

Give me the dog that catches mate.

[chartpolski 27,893]

6 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Just an idea, maybe the whippet just like the greyhound has more fast twitch muscle fibres than say a saluki and thus will bring that explosivness when added to the mix?

The old theory is that folk added different breeds to the saluki that first came over here but I've always said, you wouldn't add pit pony to a thoroughbred would you. 

They had to have a bit of method to their madness, if the saluki couldn't be bettered or improved why did they ever bother adding anything else instead of just sticking to the pures? 

I thought creating lurchers for certain jobs was to get the best of both worlds; 

Saluki/Greyhound......the speed of one, the stamina of the other.

Collie/grey..........the brains of one, the speed of the other

Whippet/grey, in the case of non-ped racers, the speed of one, the size of the other.

Of course it rarely works out like that, and if you're unlucky you end up with the speed of the collie and the brains of the greyhound ! !

Cheers.

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1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

The distance is governed by the land the have, most tracks are,or were, on miners welfares.

lets get this right, I'm not classing non-ped with coursing bred, hounds for grounds, as they say.

Non-peds have been bred for generations, best to best, to get the fastest dog over the chosen distance, they want the speed of the greyhound and the size of the Whippet, and have near as damn achieved it.

Coursing dogs, the same, best to best for generations for coursing hares.

The difference is, a coursing bred will never win a race against a non-ped, and a non-ped will just about allways be outclassed on a hare, given fair law, by a coursing bred.

But believe me, on a fair slip , even a 200 yarder, there's not a Saluki hybrid coursing dog that will beat a top non-ped in the run up. 

If the non-ped didn't pick-up on the run up, it WILL be beaten by the coursing dog.

But make no mistake, I've taken any amount of hares with non-peds, but if daytime coursing was my only field sport, there'd be no comparison, I'd have coursing bred.

Cheers.

i agree some charts but you get it dead a winter wet land 200yd slip i’d be amaze if the non ped  got there first sprinters that run hard just sink 

[Greb147 6,810]

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I thought creating lurchers for certain jobs was to get the best of both worlds; 

Saluki/Greyhound......the speed of one, the stamina of the other.

Collie/grey..........the brains of one, the speed of the other

Whippet/grey, in the case of non-ped racers, the speed of one, the size of the other.

Of course it rarely works out like that, and if you're unlucky you end up with the speed of the collie and the brains of the greyhound ! !

Cheers.

That's the theory but folk claim the saluki has been perfected after being bred for thousands of years to catch quarry, why would you cross inferior dogs like Bedlington, greyhound,etc to try and improve on perfection? 

Maybe these breeds brought more to the coursing bred types than people realise or maybe it was a case of these dogs became the ultimate hare dogs despite these other breeds.