1 Jab or 2

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

12 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

The reason for two jabs. It’s not the same reason for jabbing pups twice.

The principle is the same.

The immune system is so efficient and effective that 1 jab is not enough to compromise it, therefore a 2nd shot is required. 

If people or dogs didn't have immune systems, there would be no need for vaccines, as the result would already have been achieved. 

The important thing to remember is that the brain is involved when it comes to vaccines and that is where the danger lies.

[Born Hunter 17,959]

Just now, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

The principle is the same.

The immune system is so efficient and effective that 1 jab is not enough to compromise it, therefore a 2nd shot is required. 

If people or dogs didn't have immune systems, there would be no need for vaccines, as the result would already have been achieved. 

The important thing to remember is that the brain is involved when it comes to vaccines and that is where the danger lies.

It's not the same at all. A puppy has a short lived immunity to certain pathogens given to it by it's mother. These antibodies adapted to fight specific pathogens die off between 3-10 weeks. If you jab a pup while they are still present then they literally fight off the vaccine and so the pups adaptive immunity isn't triggered and so no long lasting antibodies of it's own are generated. By ten weeks the mother's inherited temporary antibodies die off and the pup is prime for vaccination. The reason pups are often jabbed before is in case they wore off a few weeks earlier and so leafing the pup exposed to infection. The one exception is lepto which does need a booster.

We don't get a second covid vaccine because our mother's immunity might have protected us against the first one. We get a second because like with lepto in pups some of the vaccines show higher efficacy with a two dose regime. Some don't and only require one jab.

The reasoning for two doses for puppy vaccines and two for human covid vaccines are fundamentally different.

[Born Hunter 17,959]

Read about the difference between innate and adaptive immunity and especially memory cells.

Even when exposed to a real pathogen such as a virus, a second exposure after the first triggered an adaptive immune response often boosts that immune response for future infections. The principle behind a two dose vaccination regime is literally observed with natural immune system responses to natural infections.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Born Hunter

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

3 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

It's not the same at all. A puppy has a short lived immunity to certain pathogens given to it by it's mother. These antibodies adapted to fight specific pathogens die off between 3-10 weeks. If you jab a pup while they are still present then they literally fight off the vaccine and so the pups adaptive immunity isn't triggered and so no long lasting antibodies of it's own are generated. By ten weeks the mother's inherited temporary antibodies die off and the pup is prime for vaccination. The reason pups are often jabbed before is in case they wore off a few weeks earlier and so leafing the pup exposed to infection. The one exception is lepto which does need a booster.

We don't get a second covid vaccine because our mother's immunity might have protected us against the first one. We get a second because like with lepto in pups some of the vaccines show higher efficacy with a two dose regime. Some don't and only require one jab.

The reasoning for two doses for puppy vaccines and two for human covid vaccines are fundamentally different.

So would you say then, that the immune system that nature has endowed us with, is 'not equipped' to fight against infection on its own? It needs man's intervention to now 'teach it' ?

[Born Hunter 17,959]

1 minute ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

So would you say then, that the immune system that nature has endowed us with, is 'not equipped' to fight against infection on its own? It needs man's intervention to now 'teach it' ?

The immune system is amazing. Vaccination activates it and gives the species and the individual the benefit of this amazing thing with much reduced risk.

Vaccination trains the immune system the same as a natural pathogen would, but with statistically much reduced risk.

[Elchapo 3,172]

51 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Turned it down twice so far myself...won't be having it,so long as I got a hole in my arse

Same 

[Greyman 32,256]

8 hours ago, Daniel cain said:

Turned it down twice so far myself...won't be having it,so long as I got a hole in my arse

I must be in the stubborn old Kent section now as I,m getting texts every week and real people phoning me up on a weekly basis and leaving me voice mails, never known the government to care about me so much, been waiting 3 years for an op on my neck without so much as a peep, but a jab to save me from a disease with a 99% recovery rate well they are really throwing the kitchen sink at it, 

[Greyman 32,256]

8 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

The immune system is amazing. Vaccination activates it and gives the species and the individual the benefit of this amazing thing with much reduced risk.

Vaccination trains the immune system the same as a natural pathogen would, but with statistically much reduced risk.

Tell that to William Shakespeare, first man vaccinated in the uk

[Born Hunter 17,959]

7 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

Sorry if j missed it, would you have it? 

Had it last week mate.

[Born Hunter 17,959]

13 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Tell that to William Shakespeare, first man vaccinated in the uk

A dead 81 year old.... spooky coincidence! Lol.

 

[Greyman 32,256]

 

[tatsblisters 11,036]

A friend who is a nurse and is administering the jab at Sheffield told me the first jab gives you 75pct protection the second one is a top up and she says quite a few are not turning up for the second one probably due to the panic subsiding about this virus.

[Deker 3,491]

Who knows, frankly nobody yet, but indications are 2 jabs do help!!!

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

11 hours ago, Elchapo said:

Same 

Same, I'll wait till the trials are over and the experiment is finalized.

[Francie 6,368]

20 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

The immune system is amazing. Vaccination activates it and gives the species and the individual the benefit of this amazing thing with much reduced risk.

Vaccination trains the immune system the same as a natural pathogen would, but with statistically much reduced risk.

The vaccine is not training the immune system,the immune system already knows what to do with it